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This is a pretty wide brush to paint with. I’m sure you could reasonably argue that even a majority preach prosperity gospel but there are plenty of megachurche

This is a pretty wide brush to paint with. I’m sure you could reasonably argue that even a majority preach prosperity gospel but there are plenty of megachurches affiliated with mainstream/more traditional denominations for whom said teachings are heretical. (I am an Orthodox convert personally, so I have no dog in this fight.)

stuartjohnson12 3y ago
As a cynic, it would genuinely change my view in a significant way if you could highlight examples of some megachurches whose owners don't seem to be psychopaths out to exploit as man vulnerable people with religion as possible.
- kochb 3y ago
  While I’m not personally familiar with them, Redeemer Presbyterian Church[1] in New York City (previously pastored by Tim Keller[2]) comes to mind. [1]: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/life-and-times-of-redeemer-presbyterian-church/?amp https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/life-and-times-of... [2]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Keller_(pastor) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Keller_(pastor)
- dahfizz 3y ago
  Doing a quick google on Liquid church, which TFA is about.... They paid off $13m of people's medical debt[1] They volunteer in the community[2] They have people digging wells in Honduras[3] They send a million meals to the poor countries[4][5] They seem genuine enough to me [1] https://parsippanyfocus.com/2021/02/15/liquid-church-eliminates-13-7-million-in-crushing-medical-debt-for-3800-new-jersey-families-in-need/ https://parsippanyfocus.com/2021/02/15/liquid-church-elimina... [2] https://connect.liquidchurch.com/MercercountyOutreach https://connect.liquidchurch.com/MercercountyOutreach [3] https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=669766711857088&set=a.559284772905283 https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=669766711857088&set=a.5... [4] https://tristatevoice.com/2022/12/22/liquid-church-packs-one-million-holiday-meals-to-feed-the-hungry-in-the-philippines/ https://tristatevoice.com/2022/12/22/liquid-church-packs-one... [5] https://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/news/local/outreach/caring-communities/2017/12/13/liquid-church-1-million-meals-puerto-rico/941869001/ https://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/news/local/outreach/ca...
scarface_74 3y ago
Churches don’t get large by constantly telling you that you’re a horrible person, you should live a life of poverty and give all of your worldly possessions to the poor.

stuartjohnson12 3y ago

As a cynic, it would genuinely change my view in a significant way if you could highlight examples of some megachurches whose owners don't seem to be psychopaths out to exploit as man vulnerable people with religion as possible.

kochb 3y ago
While I’m not personally familiar with them, Redeemer Presbyterian Church[1] in New York City (previously pastored by Tim Keller[2]) comes to mind. [1]: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/life-and-times-of-redeemer-presbyterian-church/?amp https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/life-and-times-of... [2]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Keller_(pastor) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Keller_(pastor)
dahfizz 3y ago
Doing a quick google on Liquid church, which TFA is about.... They paid off $13m of people's medical debt[1] They volunteer in the community[2] They have people digging wells in Honduras[3] They send a million meals to the poor countries[4][5] They seem genuine enough to me [1] https://parsippanyfocus.com/2021/02/15/liquid-church-eliminates-13-7-million-in-crushing-medical-debt-for-3800-new-jersey-families-in-need/ https://parsippanyfocus.com/2021/02/15/liquid-church-elimina... [2] https://connect.liquidchurch.com/MercercountyOutreach https://connect.liquidchurch.com/MercercountyOutreach [3] https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=669766711857088&set=a.559284772905283 https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=669766711857088&set=a.5... [4] https://tristatevoice.com/2022/12/22/liquid-church-packs-one-million-holiday-meals-to-feed-the-hungry-in-the-philippines/ https://tristatevoice.com/2022/12/22/liquid-church-packs-one... [5] https://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/news/local/outreach/caring-communities/2017/12/13/liquid-church-1-million-meals-puerto-rico/941869001/ https://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/news/local/outreach/ca...

scarface_74 3y ago

Churches don’t get large by constantly telling you that you’re a horrible person, you should live a life of poverty and give all of your worldly possessions to the poor.