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It’s also a running joke that entire political parties can be considered fronts of the CIA. The German Greens are a particularly unsubtle example but there are
by rainworld 3y ago
It’s also a running joke that entire political parties can be considered fronts of the CIA. The German Greens are a particularly unsubtle example but there are others.
The spookery in Europe didn’t end in 1990, quite the opposite, but only one side’s actions are being made issue of these days.
- q87b 3y ago> The German Greens are a particularly unsubtle example but there are others. Got any reasonable substance to that wild and typically Russian troll claim?
- sam_lowry_ 3y agoI guess they refer to the highly successful anti-nuclear FUD campaigns by German Greens. I am appaled how irrational Germans are wrt the nuclear power. Even in 2023.
- q87b 3y agoWhy would the CIA be anti-nuclear in Germany?
- red-iron-pine 3y agoIndeed. All it did was push them to be MORE dependent on Russian gas. If anything, this is a play from Moscow
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- TheFattestNinja 3y agoI'm not familiar with this notion (or much of German's political scene). Can you elaborate why the Greens are known fronts for the CIA there? (as in, what are giveaways?)
- rainworld 3y agoThe way they immediately threw away their pacifism in favour of US-led interventionism when the Cold War ended. Unsurprisingly, it was also them screaming for military support for Ukraine instead of pushing for talks. Scholz at least feigned reluctance for a while. The deindustrialization of Germany they are spearheading. Remember, in the words of its first Secretary General, the purpose of NATO (and US posture towards Europe in general) is “to keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down.” That has not substantially changed. A hypothetical alliance between Germany and Russia is a nightmare for them and they would (and in fact do) go to great lengths to prevent it.
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- bitsinthesky 3y agoRemember, you can't support freedom, security, civil society, quality of life and democracy for Eastern Europeans unless you're paid off by the CIA And the economic and political heavy weight of the EU, Germany, would only be stronger if NATO wasn't oppressing them
- watwut 3y ago> Unsurprisingly, it was also them screaming for military support for Ukraine instead of pushing for talks. Maaaan, that is just in the interest of Germany and generally any Western country. It was also the only moral and ethical position. One does not need to be paid by CIA to see this invasion and genocide for what they are.
- rainworld 3y agoIt was also the only moral and ethical position. If you think it through, the only reasons this “I’m a pacifist but” dime store morality can be entertained at all is because of the idea that Ukraine is winning, and because Western audiences (and to an extent even Ukrainian) have largely been isolated from the true costs of this war (to both sides; and also to Western economies and arsenals). Ukraine is winning I do not intend to litigate this again right now; we’re going to find out, most likely within a year, probably less. Should Ukraine in fact lose, I hope you will remember then that a generous deal was on the table (no loss of territory except obviously Crimea), and so hundreds of thousands will have died (and in fact have already) for much less than nothing. I'll leave you with this: https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1679909338276671488 https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1679909338276671488
- bugglebeetle 3y agoI dunno about the history of Austrian political parties, but this is very much true in Japan. The CIA constructed, financed, and ran intelligence operations for the ruling LDP party: https://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/09/world/cia-spent-millions-to-support-japanese-right-in-50-s-and-60-s.html https://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/09/world/cia-spent-millions-...
- q87b 3y agoIn the 1950s and 1960s, says the link.
- bugglebeetle 3y agoIt’s covered at a greater extent in Tim Weiner’s Legacy of Ashes. Also, I find suspect the claim that you can be a CIA front organization for decades and then magically stop. This wasn’t even the full extent of the CIA’s meddling in Japanese politics. They also established control over their media through right-wing media magnates like Shoriki Matsutaro. This is documented in the CIA’s own archives.