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It wasn't really explained what, exactly, they mean by that. Here's what their website says: "We believe the Bible is God’s roadmap for life. Therefore, we val

It wasn't really explained what, exactly, they mean by that. Here's what their website says: "We believe the Bible is God’s roadmap for life. Therefore, we value communicating the timeless truth of Scripture in cutting-edge, culturally relevant ways."[0] [0]: https://www.liquidchurch.com/about-liquid/values-beliefs/ https://www.liquidchurch.com/about-liquid/values-beliefs/

scarface_74 3y ago
I bet they don’t follow all of the rules in the Old Testament especially the book of Leviticus.
- mydriasis 3y ago
  Hard to say without digging in. Lots of their sermons appear to be online if you want to investigate.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    https://hill-kleerup.org/blog/2012/06/13/76-things-banned-in-leviticus-and-their-penalties.html https://hill-kleerup.org/blog/2012/06/13/76-things-banned-in... > Letting your hair become unkempt > Tearing your clothes > Drinking alcohol in holy places That kind of goes against the holy communion > Eating an animal which doesn’t both chew cud and has a divided hoof > Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy > Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyard How many churches pay their employees daily? > Holding back the wages of an employee overnight > Trimming your beard I won’t even get started on this one… > Mistreating foreigners
    - mcphage 3y ago
      > > Drinking alcohol in holy places > That kind of goes against the holy communion Not every church drinks wine for communion, many drink grape juice.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        Yes I realize that and then they go against the New Testament teaching…
    - Chris2048 3y ago
      That same blog has responses in the comments. Where, for example, does it say Christians cannot drink in Holy places? > Drink no wine or strong drink, you or your sons with you, when you go into the tent of meeting, lest you die. -- Leviticus 10:9 Applies to Priests in the church/tabernacle, not other Christian participants of communion. Also, the spicy tone of that blog isn't very charitable: > 14. Drinking alcohol in holy places (bit of a problem for Catholics, this ‘un) (10:9) [“You will die.” May only apply to the priesthood.] It almost certainly applies only to priesthood, given the audience of priests it was told to; and "lest you die" isn't the same as "you will die" which makes it seem like gods punishment for drinking.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        The priesthood very much takes part in the Communion.
        Chris2048 3y ago
        Hence "not other Christian participants of communion". Some priest believe the wine is transformed into the literal blood of Christ, some don't. For those that don't, I'm sure the "lest you die" is taken as meaning not to drink in excess. The point is, the rule isn't "If you drink in a holy place, your punishment will be death".
- KboPAacDA3 3y ago
  It's no longer necessary to follow the Mosaic law because Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the law and paid for the sins of his people. If you would like an in-depth answer, google: why do we no longer follow the mosaic law.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    And strangely enough, churches still like to trot out Malachi 3:10 that talks about giving 10% of your income. > Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. And not to mention that the New Testament doesn’t say anything about homosexuality.
    - KboPAacDA3 3y ago
      You seem to have read the Old Testament. I would encourage you to also read closely the New Testament. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus affirms we should give tithes as well as justice and mercy. As for homosexuality, read Romans 1.
      - timbit42 3y ago
        Not all homosexuality is as described in Romans 1, just as not all heterosexuality is not as described in Romans 1. There is a big difference between heterosexuality within a loving, monogamous relationship and without such, just as homosexuality within a loving, monogamous relationship and without. As long as homosexuality is monogamous and within a loving relationship, it is no different, meaning no more or less sinful, than a monogamous heterosexual relationship within a loving relationship.
haswell 3y ago
This page goes on to explain that they believe: - God is the creator and ruler of the universe - Jesus died and rose from the dead - The authors of the Bible were supernaturally guided - The only path to salvation is Jesus Christ These are the same core messages taught by the fundamental baptist church of my youth, and I wonder what they mean by communicating in “culturally relevant, cutting-edge ways”. It seems this claim is more about the format/technology they use, and not about a more enlightened framing of the Bible and Jesus. They continue to preach a sectarian/ethno-centric worldview (i.e. if you were born in the wrong country, you’re kinda screwed) that reifies the anthropomorphic “father god” understanding. While I consider myself an atheist, a position solidified by my own time in the baptist church, Judaism has always impressed me for its ability to interpret its traditions not through a literal lens and continued clinging to scientifically and philosophically untenable viewpoints, but as a framework that needs to continually update its understanding of the world to remain relevant.
- timbit42 3y ago
  It is interesting they don't mention the Trinity. Are they not Trinitarian?
beardyw 3y ago
> Because the Bible is inspired by God, it is truth without any mixture of error. As a Christian I find this to be particularly unnecessary. Do I have to believe the earth is 6000 years old, or the sun stopped moving, or there was a talking donkey. This kind of statement is only needed if you trying to justify your own doctrine by picking verses. I wish it would stop. Early Christians didn't even have a bible.

scarface_74 3y ago

I bet they don’t follow all of the rules in the Old Testament especially the book of Leviticus.

mydriasis 3y ago
Hard to say without digging in. Lots of their sermons appear to be online if you want to investigate.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  https://hill-kleerup.org/blog/2012/06/13/76-things-banned-in-leviticus-and-their-penalties.html https://hill-kleerup.org/blog/2012/06/13/76-things-banned-in... > Letting your hair become unkempt > Tearing your clothes > Drinking alcohol in holy places That kind of goes against the holy communion > Eating an animal which doesn’t both chew cud and has a divided hoof > Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy > Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyard How many churches pay their employees daily? > Holding back the wages of an employee overnight > Trimming your beard I won’t even get started on this one… > Mistreating foreigners
  - mcphage 3y ago
    > > Drinking alcohol in holy places > That kind of goes against the holy communion Not every church drinks wine for communion, many drink grape juice.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      Yes I realize that and then they go against the New Testament teaching…
  - Chris2048 3y ago
    That same blog has responses in the comments. Where, for example, does it say Christians cannot drink in Holy places? > Drink no wine or strong drink, you or your sons with you, when you go into the tent of meeting, lest you die. -- Leviticus 10:9 Applies to Priests in the church/tabernacle, not other Christian participants of communion. Also, the spicy tone of that blog isn't very charitable: > 14. Drinking alcohol in holy places (bit of a problem for Catholics, this ‘un) (10:9) [“You will die.” May only apply to the priesthood.] It almost certainly applies only to priesthood, given the audience of priests it was told to; and "lest you die" isn't the same as "you will die" which makes it seem like gods punishment for drinking.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      The priesthood very much takes part in the Communion.
      - Chris2048 3y ago
        Hence "not other Christian participants of communion". Some priest believe the wine is transformed into the literal blood of Christ, some don't. For those that don't, I'm sure the "lest you die" is taken as meaning not to drink in excess. The point is, the rule isn't "If you drink in a holy place, your punishment will be death".
KboPAacDA3 3y ago
It's no longer necessary to follow the Mosaic law because Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the law and paid for the sins of his people. If you would like an in-depth answer, google: why do we no longer follow the mosaic law.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  And strangely enough, churches still like to trot out Malachi 3:10 that talks about giving 10% of your income. > Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. And not to mention that the New Testament doesn’t say anything about homosexuality.
  - KboPAacDA3 3y ago
    You seem to have read the Old Testament. I would encourage you to also read closely the New Testament. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus affirms we should give tithes as well as justice and mercy. As for homosexuality, read Romans 1.
    - timbit42 3y ago
      Not all homosexuality is as described in Romans 1, just as not all heterosexuality is not as described in Romans 1. There is a big difference between heterosexuality within a loving, monogamous relationship and without such, just as homosexuality within a loving, monogamous relationship and without. As long as homosexuality is monogamous and within a loving relationship, it is no different, meaning no more or less sinful, than a monogamous heterosexual relationship within a loving relationship.

haswell 3y ago

This page goes on to explain that they believe: - God is the creator and ruler of the universe - Jesus died and rose from the dead - The authors of the Bible were supernaturally guided - The only path to salvation is Jesus Christ These are the same core messages taught by the fundamental baptist church of my youth, and I wonder what they mean by communicating in “culturally relevant, cutting-edge ways”. It seems this claim is more about the format/technology they use, and not about a more enlightened framing of the Bible and Jesus. They continue to preach a sectarian/ethno-centric worldview (i.e. if you were born in the wrong country, you’re kinda screwed) that reifies the anthropomorphic “father god” understanding. While I consider myself an atheist, a position solidified by my own time in the baptist church, Judaism has always impressed me for its ability to interpret its traditions not through a literal lens and continued clinging to scientifically and philosophically untenable viewpoints, but as a framework that needs to continually update its understanding of the world to remain relevant.

timbit42 3y ago
It is interesting they don't mention the Trinity. Are they not Trinitarian?

beardyw 3y ago

> Because the Bible is inspired by God, it is truth without any mixture of error. As a Christian I find this to be particularly unnecessary. Do I have to believe the earth is 6000 years old, or the sun stopped moving, or there was a talking donkey. This kind of statement is only needed if you trying to justify your own doctrine by picking verses. I wish it would stop. Early Christians didn't even have a bible.