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You know that the majority still lives outside cities, right? And the city attractiveness is getting worse every damn year, at least in the “west”.

stavros 3y ago
> And the city attractiveness is getting worse every damn year, at least in the “west”. Maybe that would change if US cities were, you know, livable? Europe is the "west" too, and the cities are a far cry better for people.
- Ultimatt 3y ago
  Everyone in the USA needs to take a pilgrimage to almost any city in the Netherlands.
CCRpoundher 3y ago
Cool. I would love to live in the country. Have internet and work remote. Little farm and grow some of my own food. Use solar and wind to power my EV Ford-150.
piva00 3y ago
If 100+ million Americans lives in cities, making cities not requiring cars to live in them is a pretty good plus, no? Rural people can keep having their vehicles if they need them, GP didn't say anything against that.
- Izkata 3y ago
  > making cities not requiring cars to live in them is a pretty good plus, no? Some cities are doing this, but they're not the ones attempting 15-minute cities. The 15-minute cities are doing things like putting up barricades to make driving more of a pain, without actually making them more livable in those confined locations.
  - piva00 3y ago
    > The 15-minute cities are doing things like putting up barricades to make driving more of a pain, without actually making them more livable in those confined locations. Examples? I live in Europe, 15-min cities are quite standard here so I don't really grasp this American issue.
    - Izkata 3y ago
      Like this: https://twitter.com/madelynrogers/status/1623469125103153152 https://twitter.com/madelynrogers/status/1623469125103153152
      - piva00 3y ago
        Examples of cities, not one tweet from one location :)
  - ryukafalz 3y ago
    Filtered permeability (which is what I think you're referring to re: barricades) does itself help you live without a car nearby. It cuts down on through traffic for cars in those areas which makes it safer and more comfortable to bike there.
    - GaryNumanVevo 3y ago
      Exactly, why should cities optimize for people who have to drive into them, vs people who already live and pay taxes there?
dashundchen 3y ago
In which "Western" country do most people live outside cities? 80% of the US population lives in urbanized areas according to the Census bureau. And the density of the census tracts most Americans live in is rising. And it is possible to have walkable and transit oriented rural areas. Much of the rural US initally sprang up around dense market towns and railroads.
- sokoloff 3y ago
  The definition of urbanized areas in the census is not what most of us would say "all of that is city living". > To qualify as an urban area, the territory identified according to criteria must encompass at least 2,000 housing units or have a population of at least 5,000. https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/geography/guidance/geo-areas/urban-rural.html#:~:text=To%20qualify%20as%20an%20urban,population%20of%20at%20least%205%2C000 https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/geography/guidance/g....
enragedcacti 3y ago
85% and 92% of millenials and Gen Z respectively say they will pay more to live in walkable communities. You can quibble about what constitutes a city but its clear there is a ton of unmet demand for higher density living in the US. https://www.nar.realtor/magazine/real-estate-news/survey-buyers-may-pay-more-to-live-in-walkable-communities https://www.nar.realtor/magazine/real-estate-news/survey-buy...

stavros 3y ago

> And the city attractiveness is getting worse every damn year, at least in the “west”. Maybe that would change if US cities were, you know, livable? Europe is the "west" too, and the cities are a far cry better for people.

Ultimatt 3y ago
Everyone in the USA needs to take a pilgrimage to almost any city in the Netherlands.

CCRpoundher 3y ago

Cool. I would love to live in the country. Have internet and work remote. Little farm and grow some of my own food. Use solar and wind to power my EV Ford-150.

piva00 3y ago

If 100+ million Americans lives in cities, making cities not requiring cars to live in them is a pretty good plus, no? Rural people can keep having their vehicles if they need them, GP didn't say anything against that.

Izkata 3y ago
> making cities not requiring cars to live in them is a pretty good plus, no? Some cities are doing this, but they're not the ones attempting 15-minute cities. The 15-minute cities are doing things like putting up barricades to make driving more of a pain, without actually making them more livable in those confined locations.
- piva00 3y ago
  > The 15-minute cities are doing things like putting up barricades to make driving more of a pain, without actually making them more livable in those confined locations. Examples? I live in Europe, 15-min cities are quite standard here so I don't really grasp this American issue.
  - Izkata 3y ago
    Like this: https://twitter.com/madelynrogers/status/1623469125103153152 https://twitter.com/madelynrogers/status/1623469125103153152
    - piva00 3y ago
      Examples of cities, not one tweet from one location :)
- ryukafalz 3y ago
  Filtered permeability (which is what I think you're referring to re: barricades) does itself help you live without a car nearby. It cuts down on through traffic for cars in those areas which makes it safer and more comfortable to bike there.
  - GaryNumanVevo 3y ago
    Exactly, why should cities optimize for people who have to drive into them, vs people who already live and pay taxes there?

dashundchen 3y ago

In which "Western" country do most people live outside cities? 80% of the US population lives in urbanized areas according to the Census bureau. And the density of the census tracts most Americans live in is rising. And it is possible to have walkable and transit oriented rural areas. Much of the rural US initally sprang up around dense market towns and railroads.

sokoloff 3y ago
The definition of urbanized areas in the census is not what most of us would say "all of that is city living". > To qualify as an urban area, the territory identified according to criteria must encompass at least 2,000 housing units or have a population of at least 5,000. https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/geography/guidance/geo-areas/urban-rural.html#:~:text=To%20qualify%20as%20an%20urban,population%20of%20at%20least%205%2C000 https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/geography/guidance/g....

enragedcacti 3y ago

85% and 92% of millenials and Gen Z respectively say they will pay more to live in walkable communities. You can quibble about what constitutes a city but its clear there is a ton of unmet demand for higher density living in the US. https://www.nar.realtor/magazine/real-estate-news/survey-buyers-may-pay-more-to-live-in-walkable-communities https://www.nar.realtor/magazine/real-estate-news/survey-buy...