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They'll only do it for free under those conditions. Otherwise it's ~$100.

by zelos 3y ago

WeylandYutani 3y ago
Interesting. I for one am not interested in overengineered expensive iPhones. Spending €100 to fix a €399 Poco sounds like a very bad deal. I hope prices on budget- midrange Android phones don't go up with these new regulations.
- BoorishBears 3y ago
  iPhones are the best value phone on the market today bar-none, people just tend to be short sighted with their understanding of "expensive". You can buy a €400 used iPhone and get updates for longer than most brand new Android phones. And by the time that used iPhone stops getting updates, you'll still be able to sell it for some non-zero value, while that budget phone will be worthless and destined to be e-waste.
  - djanogo 3y ago
    "Price is what you pay, value is what you get." Mr. Buffett
  - boring_twenties 3y ago
    My phone was $150 brand new and still works acceptably over 3.5 years later. Software updates weekly thanks to LineageOS (firmware updates are another story).
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      Yes I’m sure running LineageOS is a solution for most consumers. Not to mention without firmware updates you’re not getting security fixes
    - BoorishBears 3y ago
      Yeah, I'm probably one of the most uniquely qualified people to plug LineageOS as an engineer who's launched multiple AOSP based hardware products. Comparing LineageOS to actual first party support when the SoC manufacturer has long forgotten your device exists isn't really realistic: you're getting updates in name only. The blobs that run the most important things are frozen in time. - Not to mention, if you're willing to put up with that level of limitation, you can get a brand new iPhone SE for $150 too. It'll be locked to a carrier, but that's a lot less limiting than "literally never going to have a meaningful update again"
      - tga_d 3y ago
        I'm not going to argue that "use LineageOS" is viable advice for most users (it's not), but what do you mean "The blobs that run the most important things are frozen in time"? I suppose they're "the most important things" in that they're required for a usable device, but I wouldn't call them the most important things when it comes to updates. If I'm running an outdated Android version, my threat model basically can't include any internet or cell connectivity, since an outdated media parser means a bad web page or media message and my phone is the attacker's playground. But an outdated baseband firmware means what, I have to watch out for ne'er-do-wells dodging the FCC with high powered SDRs in my neighborhood who know what model of phone I'm using? In a better world, Lineage could feasibly ship updates for every component, but as far as I can see, one of these is a lot more important than the other, and it's the one LineageOS does take care of.
        BoorishBears 3y ago
        GPU: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/search/results?adv_search=true&isCpeNameSearch=true&query=cpe%3A2.3%3Aa%3Aarm%3Avalhall%3Ar19p0-01eac0%3A*%3A*%3A*%3A*%3A*%3A*%3A https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/search/results?adv_search=true&isC...* VPU: https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2021-0346/ https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2021-0346/ DSP: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/cve-2022-27834 https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/cve-2022-27834 The SoC has a lot more binary blobs than a baseband firmware. It's one thing if the alternative was living like a hermit, but no, the alternative is not supporting an ecosystem predicated on SoC vendors abandoning your advice because it's in their best interest for you to buy a new one. Android for personal use is a complete non-starter for me today, it's a terrible ecosystem driven on waste with fundamental flaws that will never get fixed because of a misalignment of interests.
duskwuff 3y ago
And the "no cracked screens" provision is because access to the battery on most iPhones is from the top side, by lifting the display with a suction cup. If the glass is already cracked, lifting it is likely to cause further damage, and it may not go back in afterwards.
- Filligree 3y ago
  That sounds like a "them" problem. Perhaps they shouldn't have engineered it that way.

They'll only do it for free under those conditions. Otherwise it's ~$100.

by zelos 3y ago

They'll only do it for free under those conditions. Otherwise it's ~$100.

Interesting. I for one am not interested in overengineered expensive iPhones. Spending €100 to fix a €399 Poco sounds like a very bad deal. I hope prices on budget- midrange Android phones don't go up with these new regulations.

BoorishBears 3y ago
iPhones are the best value phone on the market today bar-none, people just tend to be short sighted with their understanding of "expensive". You can buy a €400 used iPhone and get updates for longer than most brand new Android phones. And by the time that used iPhone stops getting updates, you'll still be able to sell it for some non-zero value, while that budget phone will be worthless and destined to be e-waste.
- djanogo 3y ago
  "Price is what you pay, value is what you get." Mr. Buffett
- boring_twenties 3y ago
  My phone was $150 brand new and still works acceptably over 3.5 years later. Software updates weekly thanks to LineageOS (firmware updates are another story).
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    Yes I’m sure running LineageOS is a solution for most consumers. Not to mention without firmware updates you’re not getting security fixes
  - BoorishBears 3y ago
    Yeah, I'm probably one of the most uniquely qualified people to plug LineageOS as an engineer who's launched multiple AOSP based hardware products. Comparing LineageOS to actual first party support when the SoC manufacturer has long forgotten your device exists isn't really realistic: you're getting updates in name only. The blobs that run the most important things are frozen in time. - Not to mention, if you're willing to put up with that level of limitation, you can get a brand new iPhone SE for $150 too. It'll be locked to a carrier, but that's a lot less limiting than "literally never going to have a meaningful update again"
    - tga_d 3y ago
      I'm not going to argue that "use LineageOS" is viable advice for most users (it's not), but what do you mean "The blobs that run the most important things are frozen in time"? I suppose they're "the most important things" in that they're required for a usable device, but I wouldn't call them the most important things when it comes to updates. If I'm running an outdated Android version, my threat model basically can't include any internet or cell connectivity, since an outdated media parser means a bad web page or media message and my phone is the attacker's playground. But an outdated baseband firmware means what, I have to watch out for ne'er-do-wells dodging the FCC with high powered SDRs in my neighborhood who know what model of phone I'm using? In a better world, Lineage could feasibly ship updates for every component, but as far as I can see, one of these is a lot more important than the other, and it's the one LineageOS does take care of.
      - BoorishBears 3y ago
        GPU: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/search/results?adv_search=true&isCpeNameSearch=true&query=cpe%3A2.3%3Aa%3Aarm%3Avalhall%3Ar19p0-01eac0%3A*%3A*%3A*%3A*%3A*%3A*%3A https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/search/results?adv_search=true&isC...* VPU: https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2021-0346/ https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2021-0346/ DSP: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/cve-2022-27834 https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/cve-2022-27834 The SoC has a lot more binary blobs than a baseband firmware. It's one thing if the alternative was living like a hermit, but no, the alternative is not supporting an ecosystem predicated on SoC vendors abandoning your advice because it's in their best interest for you to buy a new one. Android for personal use is a complete non-starter for me today, it's a terrible ecosystem driven on waste with fundamental flaws that will never get fixed because of a misalignment of interests.

duskwuff 3y ago

And the "no cracked screens" provision is because access to the battery on most iPhones is from the top side, by lifting the display with a suction cup. If the glass is already cracked, lifting it is likely to cause further damage, and it may not go back in afterwards.

Filligree 3y ago
That sounds like a "them" problem. Perhaps they shouldn't have engineered it that way.