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Yeah, no. https://nitter.net/AnechoicMedia_/status/1629315139169075200 https://nitter.net/AnechoicMedia_/status/1629315139169075200

jojobas 3y ago
Next you'll say Katie Bouman didn't single-handedly image black holes. Or that Elisabeth Holmes.. eh.
readingistuff 3y ago
Not exactly the most unbiased source, that account has a number of obvious chips on its shoulders... Do you have a more neutral source that Hamilton didn't lead the team when the moon landing happened?
- jadamson 3y ago
  I'm not sure why you're claiming familiarity with the author when you haven't even read the thread. She was the lead in 1969 when they landed on the moon, however she was promoted by her soon-to-be husband after the vast majority of the software had already been written.
  - cauch 3y ago
    I think the comment was referring to you saying "yeah no" to a thread subject that is "Margaret Hamilton Led the NASA Software Team That Landed Astronauts on the Moon". It is funny that your answer seems to blame or mock the commenter for not being hyper precise with their words and yet you also were not. (for example, you could answer me something like "well, the 'yeah no' did not refer to the title, that's just one interpretation" and blame me for not having accounted for that, while you yourself did not account at all that the previous comment can just refer to your "yeah no" juxtaposed to the title)
defrost 3y ago
Apollo 8 was unmanned and hardly the final version of the flight software. Hamilton was hired early, was a software director by 1965 and her and a team iterated development through the first crewed flights in 1968 until the end of the program in 1972. http://authors.library.caltech.edu/5456/1/hrst.mit.edu/hrs/apollo/public/conference1/hamilton-intro.htm http://authors.library.caltech.edu/5456/1/hrst.mit.edu/hrs/a... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_(software_engineer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_(software_en... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_program
- greenyoda 3y ago
  > Apollo 8 was unmanned No, it wasn't. From Wikipedia: "Apollo 8 was the first crewed spacecraft to leave low Earth orbit and the first human spaceflight to reach the Moon. The crew orbited the Moon ten times without landing, and then departed safely back to Earth. These three astronauts — Frank Borman, James Lovell, and William Anders — were the first humans to witness and photograph the far side of the Moon and an Earthrise." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_8
  - defrost 3y ago
    See my response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36721838 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36721838 Apollo 8 was an error on my part - I pulled that from the "yeah, no" link - the key part is that Hamilton started on unmanned mission before the first crewed mission.
- jadamson 3y ago
  Firstly, Apollo 8 was certainly manned, it just didn't land on the lunar surface. Secondly, she was not a software director in 1965. In her own words: > MARGARET HAMILTON: When I first got involved in Apollo, I was coming off the SAGE project for the Lincoln Labs. I was a young kid, and I was hired by Dan Lickly over here (pointing to Dan). And I was assigned, this was during the unmanned missions, and I was hired to do what they called programming, they also call it software engineering today, but not back then. > One of my first assignments was to work on algorithms having to do with lunar landmark tables. So I wrote programs having to do with that area. Then there was an unmanned mission that was taking off, and people came running in to tell me that the lunar landmark tables were in upside down and backwards. This was just when the mission had just taken off. And I believed, until it landed, and heard on the news everything was okay, that I was in real trouble because I was involved with these algorithms. > Then, because I was still a beginner, I was assigned responsibility for what was thought to be the least important software to be developed for the next mission. I was the most of the beginners; I mean, I was the first junior person, on this next unmanned mission https://authors.library.caltech.edu/5456/1/hrst.mit.edu/hrs/apollo/public/conference1/hamilton-intro.htm https://authors.library.caltech.edu/5456/1/hrst.mit.edu/hrs/... The unmanned flights she refers to would have been Apollo 4/5/6 test flights, so 1967/1968. Apollo software development started in 1961, she was still green in 1967. What exactly was she leading in 1965?
Kim_Bruning 3y ago
Feel free to at very least post this on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Margaret_Hamilton_(software_engineer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Margaret_Hamilton_(softwa... , if you think it has merit. It may or may not go very far though. I've had a look at a bunch of other posts by AnechoicMedia_ via nitter. They seem to have a bit of a bias, which makes me doubt their writing up front. But it might be worth picking apart?

jojobas 3y ago

Next you'll say Katie Bouman didn't single-handedly image black holes. Or that Elisabeth Holmes.. eh.

readingistuff 3y ago

Not exactly the most unbiased source, that account has a number of obvious chips on its shoulders... Do you have a more neutral source that Hamilton didn't lead the team when the moon landing happened?

jadamson 3y ago
I'm not sure why you're claiming familiarity with the author when you haven't even read the thread. She was the lead in 1969 when they landed on the moon, however she was promoted by her soon-to-be husband after the vast majority of the software had already been written.
- cauch 3y ago
  I think the comment was referring to you saying "yeah no" to a thread subject that is "Margaret Hamilton Led the NASA Software Team That Landed Astronauts on the Moon". It is funny that your answer seems to blame or mock the commenter for not being hyper precise with their words and yet you also were not. (for example, you could answer me something like "well, the 'yeah no' did not refer to the title, that's just one interpretation" and blame me for not having accounted for that, while you yourself did not account at all that the previous comment can just refer to your "yeah no" juxtaposed to the title)

defrost 3y ago

Apollo 8 was unmanned and hardly the final version of the flight software. Hamilton was hired early, was a software director by 1965 and her and a team iterated development through the first crewed flights in 1968 until the end of the program in 1972. http://authors.library.caltech.edu/5456/1/hrst.mit.edu/hrs/apollo/public/conference1/hamilton-intro.htm http://authors.library.caltech.edu/5456/1/hrst.mit.edu/hrs/a... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_(software_engineer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_(software_en... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_program

greenyoda 3y ago
> Apollo 8 was unmanned No, it wasn't. From Wikipedia: "Apollo 8 was the first crewed spacecraft to leave low Earth orbit and the first human spaceflight to reach the Moon. The crew orbited the Moon ten times without landing, and then departed safely back to Earth. These three astronauts — Frank Borman, James Lovell, and William Anders — were the first humans to witness and photograph the far side of the Moon and an Earthrise." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_8
- defrost 3y ago
  See my response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36721838 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36721838 Apollo 8 was an error on my part - I pulled that from the "yeah, no" link - the key part is that Hamilton started on unmanned mission before the first crewed mission.
jadamson 3y ago
Firstly, Apollo 8 was certainly manned, it just didn't land on the lunar surface. Secondly, she was not a software director in 1965. In her own words: > MARGARET HAMILTON: When I first got involved in Apollo, I was coming off the SAGE project for the Lincoln Labs. I was a young kid, and I was hired by Dan Lickly over here (pointing to Dan). And I was assigned, this was during the unmanned missions, and I was hired to do what they called programming, they also call it software engineering today, but not back then. > One of my first assignments was to work on algorithms having to do with lunar landmark tables. So I wrote programs having to do with that area. Then there was an unmanned mission that was taking off, and people came running in to tell me that the lunar landmark tables were in upside down and backwards. This was just when the mission had just taken off. And I believed, until it landed, and heard on the news everything was okay, that I was in real trouble because I was involved with these algorithms. > Then, because I was still a beginner, I was assigned responsibility for what was thought to be the least important software to be developed for the next mission. I was the most of the beginners; I mean, I was the first junior person, on this next unmanned mission https://authors.library.caltech.edu/5456/1/hrst.mit.edu/hrs/apollo/public/conference1/hamilton-intro.htm https://authors.library.caltech.edu/5456/1/hrst.mit.edu/hrs/... The unmanned flights she refers to would have been Apollo 4/5/6 test flights, so 1967/1968. Apollo software development started in 1961, she was still green in 1967. What exactly was she leading in 1965?

Kim_Bruning 3y ago

Feel free to at very least post this on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Margaret_Hamilton_(software_engineer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Margaret_Hamilton_(softwa... , if you think it has merit. It may or may not go very far though. I've had a look at a bunch of other posts by AnechoicMedia_ via nitter. They seem to have a bit of a bias, which makes me doubt their writing up front. But it might be worth picking apart?