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There is still no evidence whatsoever for the lab leak conspiracy theory (while the case for natural sourcing is obvious and approaching overwhelming) and half

There is still no evidence whatsoever for the lab leak conspiracy theory (while the case for natural sourcing is obvious and approaching overwhelming) and half of the English speaking world now believes it is the most likely explanation because of this kind of drivel. Are we all truly so bored of reality? It’s one of the truly irritating mass delusions of the era and of course it’s on here, tracked in through Glenn Greenwald’s private pigsty.

supriyo-biswas 3y ago
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807...
frankreyes 3y ago
FBI Director Christopher Wray has said that the bureau believes Covid-19 most likely originated in a Chinese government-controlled lab. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64806903 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64806903 US Energy Department assesses Covid-19 likely resulted from lab leak, furthering US intel divide over virus origin https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/26/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-china-intelligence/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/26/politics/covid-lab-leak-w... Top WHO virologist admits it should never have dismissed lab leak theory as being more implausible than China's own 'frozen food' origin story https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12203765/Top-virologist-admits-agency-NEVER-dismissed-lab-leak-theory-implausible.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12203765/Top-viro... Intelligence Community releases declassified COVID origins report, lawmakers say it ‘lends credence’ to lab leak theory https://nypost.com/2023/06/23/intelligence-community-releases-declassified-covid-origins-report-lawmakers-say-it-lends-credence-to-lab-leak-theory/ https://nypost.com/2023/06/23/intelligence-community-release... But hey, keep those conspiracy theories running
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- arghandugh 3y ago
  Trumper, tortured opinion piece, irrelevant sidebar from someone who can’t meaningfully comment on Chinese politics, and a NY POST blurb. Shattering work. Great. You’ve blown this whole thing wide open.
  - frankreyes 3y ago
    FBI and DoE Trumper? Sure, right You didn't provide any single supporting evidence. Go back to your conspiracy theories ;)
oliv5900 3y ago
There is still no evidence whatsoever for the natural origins conspiracy theory (while the case for lab leaks is obvious and approaching overwhelming) and half of the English speaking world now believes it is the most likely explanation because of this kind of drivel. Are we all truly so bored of reality? It’s one of the truly irritating mass delusions of the era and of course it’s on here, tracked in through mainstream news’ private pigsty. What has been asserted without evidence, can just as well be dismissed without evidence.
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- notTooFarGone 3y ago
  in dubio pro reo is still fundamental in our society and we should still hold other countries to the same standard (even if it's hard with bad faith actors)
- sharts 3y ago
  It is too political an issue for any definitive evidence to surface any time soon. Why would the most likely explanation be something worthy of dismissal? We make lots of decisions in life based on likely explanation.
benreesman 3y ago
That’s a pretty stiff assertion in a thread on HN where there’s any debate: there are like a zillion PhDs in everything on here so when I see a conversation I just assume it’s not open and shut. Maybe you’re one of them, arguments to authority are imperfect but we all use them, so now would be the time to break out the PhD in virology. As a kind of side note, “conspiracy theory”, while once a somewhat useful term, at this point has joined “fake news”, “misinformation”, “psyop”, “alt-right”, “deep state” and all the other stuff that is just basically a partisan gang affiliation flex. And it’s a shame, because some of these words meant something at one time and they don’t anymore. But I’m pretty sure we’ll make up new ones.

supriyo-biswas 3y ago

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807...

frankreyes 3y ago

FBI Director Christopher Wray has said that the bureau believes Covid-19 most likely originated in a Chinese government-controlled lab. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64806903 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64806903 US Energy Department assesses Covid-19 likely resulted from lab leak, furthering US intel divide over virus origin https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/26/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-china-intelligence/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/26/politics/covid-lab-leak-w... Top WHO virologist admits it should never have dismissed lab leak theory as being more implausible than China's own 'frozen food' origin story https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12203765/Top-virologist-admits-agency-NEVER-dismissed-lab-leak-theory-implausible.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12203765/Top-viro... Intelligence Community releases declassified COVID origins report, lawmakers say it ‘lends credence’ to lab leak theory https://nypost.com/2023/06/23/intelligence-community-releases-declassified-covid-origins-report-lawmakers-say-it-lends-credence-to-lab-leak-theory/ https://nypost.com/2023/06/23/intelligence-community-release... But hey, keep those conspiracy theories running

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arghandugh 3y ago
Trumper, tortured opinion piece, irrelevant sidebar from someone who can’t meaningfully comment on Chinese politics, and a NY POST blurb. Shattering work. Great. You’ve blown this whole thing wide open.
- frankreyes 3y ago
  FBI and DoE Trumper? Sure, right You didn't provide any single supporting evidence. Go back to your conspiracy theories ;)

oliv5900 3y ago

There is still no evidence whatsoever for the natural origins conspiracy theory (while the case for lab leaks is obvious and approaching overwhelming) and half of the English speaking world now believes it is the most likely explanation because of this kind of drivel. Are we all truly so bored of reality? It’s one of the truly irritating mass delusions of the era and of course it’s on here, tracked in through mainstream news’ private pigsty. What has been asserted without evidence, can just as well be dismissed without evidence.

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notTooFarGone 3y ago
in dubio pro reo is still fundamental in our society and we should still hold other countries to the same standard (even if it's hard with bad faith actors)
sharts 3y ago
It is too political an issue for any definitive evidence to surface any time soon. Why would the most likely explanation be something worthy of dismissal? We make lots of decisions in life based on likely explanation.

benreesman 3y ago

That’s a pretty stiff assertion in a thread on HN where there’s any debate: there are like a zillion PhDs in everything on here so when I see a conversation I just assume it’s not open and shut. Maybe you’re one of them, arguments to authority are imperfect but we all use them, so now would be the time to break out the PhD in virology. As a kind of side note, “conspiracy theory”, while once a somewhat useful term, at this point has joined “fake news”, “misinformation”, “psyop”, “alt-right”, “deep state” and all the other stuff that is just basically a partisan gang affiliation flex. And it’s a shame, because some of these words meant something at one time and they don’t anymore. But I’m pretty sure we’ll make up new ones.