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Fun fact: This is the first time since 1960 that the actor's and writer's guilds are striking at the same time. The leader of the actor's guild in 1960 who sig

Fun fact: This is the first time since 1960 that the actor's and writer's guilds are striking at the same time. The leader of the actor's guild in 1960 who signed off on that strike? Ronald Reagan.

coolandsmartrr 3y ago
That's really ironic, as Reagan completely reversed his stance on strikes by the time he became president.
- blamazon 3y ago
  For anyone unaware: > On August 5, following the PATCO workers' refusal to return to work, the Reagan administration fired the 11,345 striking air traffic controllers who had ignored the order, and banned them from federal service for life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_(1968) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Contr...
  - TheCaptain4815 3y ago
    There’s an enormous difference between Hollywood actors striking and air traffic control. Air traffic controllers weren’t even allowed to strike given how critical their jobs are and could have paralyzed the entire country. Comparing that to actors is nonsensical.
    - blamazon 3y ago
      The uneven comparison is sort of the point: If air traffic controllers are so essential to the country's operation, why didn't the Reagan administration just avoid the strike by giving them what they wanted, like he was able to get personally in 1960? Is the idea that we can only give non-essential workers what they want (because they have the luxury of striking and not screwing over the country) and everyone else can get bent? That's the idea that's nonsensical to me and discordant between Reagan the actor and Reagan the president.
      - linuxftw 3y ago
        What if they wanted $1m each? Should he have just given them what they wanted? He called their bluff and brought in replacements. Hollywood can do the same.
        LapsangGuzzler 3y ago
        They asked for a $10k raise and a 32 hour workweek due to burnout, hard to argue that this was an unreasonable ask. This was the exact same paradox that essential healthcare workers faced during the pandemic. Too important to give time off, but not important enough to properly compensate.
        mc32 3y ago
        Water is essential for life on Earth yet it’s one of the cheapest substances available.
        JetSpiegel 3y ago
        The kind of water essential for life is not that abundant...
        deprecative 3y ago
        This is not a universal truth. If you're going to wander into a discussion at least do so with some measure of good faith cognitive effort.
        revelio 3y ago
        That's what I don't get about these demands. If Hollywood wants to scan background actors and reuse them instead of paying them a day rate, then surely almost anyone can be scanned and used in such a process. At that point they aren't even actors, they're just sources of pretty faces for the VFX team. And that isn't even necessary is it because GANs can imagine pretty faces for years now. Presumably if actors pick this as a hill to die on, well, suddenly there'll be even more surplus supply of actors to demand because the easy roles are VFX, and at that point Hollywood can just break the unions with scabs.
  - Frost1x 3y ago
    Was unaware but not surprising coming from Reagan.
- trafficante 3y ago
  Reagan the Actor had very different politics than Reagan the Candidate. Check out his stump speech for Truman[1]. Quick highlight quote: “Remember that promise: a real increase in income for everybody. But what actually happened? The profits of corporations have doubled, while workers wages have increased by only one-quarter. In other words, profits have gone up four times as much as wages, and the small increase workers did receive was was more than eaten up by rising prices, which have also bored into their savings” - Somehow Ronald Reagan [1]https://youtu.be/uJDhS4oUm0M https://youtu.be/uJDhS4oUm0M
  - jvmfjvfjvf 3y ago
    So he got smarter on economics as he aged like most people? His economics advisors were at the top of their fields, including Nobel laureates. It is not highly shocking that he changed his views.
    - etrautmann 3y ago
      Ah yes, brilliance which has trickled down all over us for decades now.
      - kjghkjghkjgh 3y ago
        It has actually if you understood economics.
        red-iron-pine 3y ago
        a bunch of random letter accounts with <6 month histories advocating for right-wing approaches. come-on man, at least try to shill more effectively. this is almost insulting.
  - satvikpendem 3y ago
    It's almost as if people will advocate for their own interests, and if their interests change, so too does their advocacy. As the SAG leader, he would obviously advocate for more money for himself and his fellow actors, saying whatever rhetoric he needed to, and when he was president, he would similar advocate for whatever keeps him further in office.
- WalterBright 3y ago
  “I didn’t leave the Democratic party, the Democratic Party left me.” ― Ronald Reagan
  - pstuart 3y ago
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help." ― Ronald Reagan Yeah, soothing words from the head of the government...
forgingahead 3y ago
So - Drescher 2024 then?

Fun fact: This is the first time since 1960 that the actor's and writer's guilds are striking at the same time. The leader of the actor's guild in 1960 who signed off on that strike? Ronald Reagan.

coolandsmartrr 3y ago

That's really ironic, as Reagan completely reversed his stance on strikes by the time he became president.

blamazon 3y ago
For anyone unaware: > On August 5, following the PATCO workers' refusal to return to work, the Reagan administration fired the 11,345 striking air traffic controllers who had ignored the order, and banned them from federal service for life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_(1968) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Contr...
- TheCaptain4815 3y ago
  There’s an enormous difference between Hollywood actors striking and air traffic control. Air traffic controllers weren’t even allowed to strike given how critical their jobs are and could have paralyzed the entire country. Comparing that to actors is nonsensical.
  - blamazon 3y ago
    The uneven comparison is sort of the point: If air traffic controllers are so essential to the country's operation, why didn't the Reagan administration just avoid the strike by giving them what they wanted, like he was able to get personally in 1960? Is the idea that we can only give non-essential workers what they want (because they have the luxury of striking and not screwing over the country) and everyone else can get bent? That's the idea that's nonsensical to me and discordant between Reagan the actor and Reagan the president.
    - linuxftw 3y ago
      What if they wanted $1m each? Should he have just given them what they wanted? He called their bluff and brought in replacements. Hollywood can do the same.
      - LapsangGuzzler 3y ago
        They asked for a $10k raise and a 32 hour workweek due to burnout, hard to argue that this was an unreasonable ask. This was the exact same paradox that essential healthcare workers faced during the pandemic. Too important to give time off, but not important enough to properly compensate.
        mc32 3y ago
        Water is essential for life on Earth yet it’s one of the cheapest substances available.
        JetSpiegel 3y ago
        The kind of water essential for life is not that abundant...
        deprecative 3y ago
        This is not a universal truth. If you're going to wander into a discussion at least do so with some measure of good faith cognitive effort.
      - revelio 3y ago
        That's what I don't get about these demands. If Hollywood wants to scan background actors and reuse them instead of paying them a day rate, then surely almost anyone can be scanned and used in such a process. At that point they aren't even actors, they're just sources of pretty faces for the VFX team. And that isn't even necessary is it because GANs can imagine pretty faces for years now. Presumably if actors pick this as a hill to die on, well, suddenly there'll be even more surplus supply of actors to demand because the easy roles are VFX, and at that point Hollywood can just break the unions with scabs.
- Frost1x 3y ago
  Was unaware but not surprising coming from Reagan.
trafficante 3y ago
Reagan the Actor had very different politics than Reagan the Candidate. Check out his stump speech for Truman[1]. Quick highlight quote: “Remember that promise: a real increase in income for everybody. But what actually happened? The profits of corporations have doubled, while workers wages have increased by only one-quarter. In other words, profits have gone up four times as much as wages, and the small increase workers did receive was was more than eaten up by rising prices, which have also bored into their savings” - Somehow Ronald Reagan [1]https://youtu.be/uJDhS4oUm0M https://youtu.be/uJDhS4oUm0M
- jvmfjvfjvf 3y ago
  So he got smarter on economics as he aged like most people? His economics advisors were at the top of their fields, including Nobel laureates. It is not highly shocking that he changed his views.
  - etrautmann 3y ago
    Ah yes, brilliance which has trickled down all over us for decades now.
    - kjghkjghkjgh 3y ago
      It has actually if you understood economics.
      - red-iron-pine 3y ago
        a bunch of random letter accounts with <6 month histories advocating for right-wing approaches. come-on man, at least try to shill more effectively. this is almost insulting.
- satvikpendem 3y ago
  It's almost as if people will advocate for their own interests, and if their interests change, so too does their advocacy. As the SAG leader, he would obviously advocate for more money for himself and his fellow actors, saying whatever rhetoric he needed to, and when he was president, he would similar advocate for whatever keeps him further in office.
WalterBright 3y ago
“I didn’t leave the Democratic party, the Democratic Party left me.” ― Ronald Reagan
- pstuart 3y ago
  "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help." ― Ronald Reagan Yeah, soothing words from the head of the government...

forgingahead 3y ago

So - Drescher 2024 then?