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Would you care to elaborate on this? Are you referring more to the removal of posts that have made it through the filter, or the lack of approval of posts that

by eogas 15y ago

Would you care to elaborate on this? Are you referring more to the removal of posts that have made it through the filter, or the lack of approval of posts that are stuck in the filter? I think we do a pretty good job. No choice is as clear cut as people would like it to be (especially when it is their own content on the line). I've heard feedback from people who think we do an amazing job at moderating, keeping the ever-growing cesspool from leaking into the sacred realm of /r/programming, and I've heard feedback from people who think we're the devil, and that we're censoring the will of the people, and somebody call the ACLU right now!!! But any community is going to get feedback from those two extremes. That's just how people react to moderation. The fact that there seems to be pretty equal feedback from both extremes tells me that we must either be doing something right, or everything completely wrong.

willvarfar 15y ago
Lots of my posts never get through the spam filter, yet I think they are programming related. http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/16399069781/google-moresql-is-real http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/16399069781/googl... for example http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/13264962223/sum-of-absolute-differences http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/13264962223/sum-o... and http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/13265364121/popen3 http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/13265364121/popen... are two others that I would like to share wider I don't think they ever got through :( (I've lost track of what I've tried to send through now; I tend to delete to tidy up when it fails) Generally, the memory of proggit I have is warm and fuzzy and old. Naturally my memory is selective; but I remember it being far more like HN is now. The comments were less brogrammer frat'ish. Now, they swin further and further daily towards the immature brat'ish frat'ish sadly. Insightful comments are fewer and further between. Maybe proggit needs a restart? The /r/republicofatheism -type reboot is all you can do on reddit because its not self-organising ;) I lament the passing of the good old days.
- eogas 15y ago
  That first one was submitted to /r/programming by a user who has a really bad history of incessantly spamming his/her own blog and nothing else. The user has 2 comments in 4 years, and only 2 submissions which are not self promotion (one of which is yours). I couldn't find a trace of the other two, though looking at your account (or what I think is your account) I am seeing a slew of filtered posts, some of which are on topic, some of which are not. I just approved a couple of your most recent on-topic posts, however I can tell you that you will need to keep a good ratio between your own site(s) and other good content for the spam filter to go easy on you. It filters really heavily against people who submit the same domain a large part of the time, and we (moderators) tend to stick to that as well. I will comment on your other points in a little while. EDIT: Okay, now for the rest. I think the warm fuzzy memories you have of proggit are akin to the warm fuzzy memories a lot of people have of reddit as a whole 3 or 4 years ago. But with a larger userbase comes a lot of noise and idiocy. In my opinion, /r/programming was one of the first subreddits to take real action against quality decay. There was a period of time, after the heyday, but while /r/programming was still a default, when rage comics and advice animals were rampant. Maybe not quite as rampant as the rest of the site, but it was pretty bad. There were lots of people who were not programmers submitting and commenting, so lots of stuff ended up being off topic. I think the quality has improved immensely since then, and I think this is in part due to strict moderation and the disabling of self posts. I will allow that it certainly isn't as great as reddit as a whole was in its heyday, but it's getting better. There's not much we can do about the comments. We can't moderate comments for stupidity (because that would be pretty messed up). The only thing I've ever moderated comments for is spam and personal info. A reboot, unless it's in the form of a different sub, is probably not going to happen, but I'd certainly be interested in hearing any ideas for improving the subreddit in its current form.
  - willvarfar 15y ago
    Thanks I've tried to put moreSQL through again - is it on topic for proggit? http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/qklxn/google_moresql_is_real/ http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/qklxn/google_mo... I don't like the idea of having to scrape HN to find other people's content so I can hide my own content submissions in the noise.

by eogas 15y ago

willvarfar 15y ago

Lots of my posts never get through the spam filter, yet I think they are programming related. http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/16399069781/google-moresql-is-real http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/16399069781/googl... for example http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/13264962223/sum-of-absolute-differences http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/13264962223/sum-o... and http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/13265364121/popen3 http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/13265364121/popen... are two others that I would like to share wider I don't think they ever got through :( (I've lost track of what I've tried to send through now; I tend to delete to tidy up when it fails) Generally, the memory of proggit I have is warm and fuzzy and old. Naturally my memory is selective; but I remember it being far more like HN is now. The comments were less brogrammer frat'ish. Now, they swin further and further daily towards the immature brat'ish frat'ish sadly. Insightful comments are fewer and further between. Maybe proggit needs a restart? The /r/republicofatheism -type reboot is all you can do on reddit because its not self-organising ;) I lament the passing of the good old days.

eogas 15y ago
That first one was submitted to /r/programming by a user who has a really bad history of incessantly spamming his/her own blog and nothing else. The user has 2 comments in 4 years, and only 2 submissions which are not self promotion (one of which is yours). I couldn't find a trace of the other two, though looking at your account (or what I think is your account) I am seeing a slew of filtered posts, some of which are on topic, some of which are not. I just approved a couple of your most recent on-topic posts, however I can tell you that you will need to keep a good ratio between your own site(s) and other good content for the spam filter to go easy on you. It filters really heavily against people who submit the same domain a large part of the time, and we (moderators) tend to stick to that as well. I will comment on your other points in a little while. EDIT: Okay, now for the rest. I think the warm fuzzy memories you have of proggit are akin to the warm fuzzy memories a lot of people have of reddit as a whole 3 or 4 years ago. But with a larger userbase comes a lot of noise and idiocy. In my opinion, /r/programming was one of the first subreddits to take real action against quality decay. There was a period of time, after the heyday, but while /r/programming was still a default, when rage comics and advice animals were rampant. Maybe not quite as rampant as the rest of the site, but it was pretty bad. There were lots of people who were not programmers submitting and commenting, so lots of stuff ended up being off topic. I think the quality has improved immensely since then, and I think this is in part due to strict moderation and the disabling of self posts. I will allow that it certainly isn't as great as reddit as a whole was in its heyday, but it's getting better. There's not much we can do about the comments. We can't moderate comments for stupidity (because that would be pretty messed up). The only thing I've ever moderated comments for is spam and personal info. A reboot, unless it's in the form of a different sub, is probably not going to happen, but I'd certainly be interested in hearing any ideas for improving the subreddit in its current form.
- willvarfar 15y ago
  Thanks I've tried to put moreSQL through again - is it on topic for proggit? http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/qklxn/google_moresql_is_real/ http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/qklxn/google_mo... I don't like the idea of having to scrape HN to find other people's content so I can hide my own content submissions in the noise.