4 ms·

Still -being a realist- hoping that Ukraine quickly yields so we don't end up in WW3. Something has to give, and if history is any guide, it won't be the Russi

Still -being a realist- hoping that Ukraine quickly yields so we don't end up in WW3. Something has to give, and if history is any guide, it won't be the Russians.

tryptophan 3y ago
Still -being a realist- hoping that ww3-concern trolls parroting russian propaganda shut up soon.
- jfengel 3y ago
  That's optimism, not realism. I wish it were otherwise, but the concern trolls will likely outlast the war.
cmurf 3y ago
Aggressive war is proscribed in the UN Charter to which Russia is a signatory. It's proscribed because it leads to wider conflict including world wars, and is the supreme international crime. Russia is a signatory to the Geneva Convention and Budapest Memorandum, but they tore up those agreements too. And instead, Russia published a genocide handbook. https://human-rights.cmc.edu/2022/04/14/russias-genocide-handbook/ https://human-rights.cmc.edu/2022/04/14/russias-genocide-han... All UN members have an article 51 right to collective self defense with Ukraine. This agreement came straight out of the ashes of two world wars expressly to prevent a 3rd word war. And here you are arguing against the charter, among the many imperfect things we need to try and do better as a species. And arguing against self-defense. And arguing in favor of tyranny. Go fuck yourself.
_kbh_ 3y ago
> Still -being a realist- hoping that Ukraine quickly yields so we don't end up in WW3. How many of your family members would you trade for your realist views?. How many of your brothers, sisters, nieces and nephews would you happily feed into a wood chipper or allow to be raped and tortured with no consequence?. How much of your land would you give up?. > Something has to give, and if history is any guide, it won't be the Russians. Russia and the USSR lost wars just like everyone else. There’s plenty of historical precedence for them giving up and going home.
lisasays 3y ago
Something has to give, and if history is any guide, it won't be the Russians. What on earth are you talking about? Russia has yielded a whole bunch of times of course, going way back to the Crimean War - often to countries much smaller than itself. BTW that particular war ended with the Black Sea fully demilitarized, its military and civilian institutions discredited - and 3 church bells from Sevastopol hung up in Arundel Castle, England, as trophies. Even WW 2 probably would have gone the same way, had it not been for Lend Lease. And now it's attempting to fight a war of aggressive occupation a country with a quarter of its population. So far it has lost 50 percent of the territory it initially sized. Just 18 months in, there's already been a mutiny which forced the current Tsar to flee Moscow. If history is any guide, this definitely isn't going to end well for them.

Still -being a realist- hoping that Ukraine quickly yields so we don't end up in WW3. Something has to give, and if history is any guide, it won't be the Russians.

tryptophan 3y ago

Still -being a realist- hoping that ww3-concern trolls parroting russian propaganda shut up soon.

jfengel 3y ago
That's optimism, not realism. I wish it were otherwise, but the concern trolls will likely outlast the war.

cmurf 3y ago

Aggressive war is proscribed in the UN Charter to which Russia is a signatory. It's proscribed because it leads to wider conflict including world wars, and is the supreme international crime. Russia is a signatory to the Geneva Convention and Budapest Memorandum, but they tore up those agreements too. And instead, Russia published a genocide handbook. https://human-rights.cmc.edu/2022/04/14/russias-genocide-handbook/ https://human-rights.cmc.edu/2022/04/14/russias-genocide-han... All UN members have an article 51 right to collective self defense with Ukraine. This agreement came straight out of the ashes of two world wars expressly to prevent a 3rd word war. And here you are arguing against the charter, among the many imperfect things we need to try and do better as a species. And arguing against self-defense. And arguing in favor of tyranny. Go fuck yourself.

_kbh_ 3y ago

> Still -being a realist- hoping that Ukraine quickly yields so we don't end up in WW3. How many of your family members would you trade for your realist views?. How many of your brothers, sisters, nieces and nephews would you happily feed into a wood chipper or allow to be raped and tortured with no consequence?. How much of your land would you give up?. > Something has to give, and if history is any guide, it won't be the Russians. Russia and the USSR lost wars just like everyone else. There’s plenty of historical precedence for them giving up and going home.

lisasays 3y ago

Something has to give, and if history is any guide, it won't be the Russians. What on earth are you talking about? Russia has yielded a whole bunch of times of course, going way back to the Crimean War - often to countries much smaller than itself. BTW that particular war ended with the Black Sea fully demilitarized, its military and civilian institutions discredited - and 3 church bells from Sevastopol hung up in Arundel Castle, England, as trophies. Even WW 2 probably would have gone the same way, had it not been for Lend Lease. And now it's attempting to fight a war of aggressive occupation a country with a quarter of its population. So far it has lost 50 percent of the territory it initially sized. Just 18 months in, there's already been a mutiny which forced the current Tsar to flee Moscow. If history is any guide, this definitely isn't going to end well for them.