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Disruptive protest helps rather than hinders activists’ cause, experts say

12 points by kitkat_new 3y ago

oatmeal1 3y ago
I think most people tend to simply put themselves wherever they think the "middle" is of any political issue. The "middle" being whatever they think the middle of their "in-group" thinks. Out-group's opinion doesn't matter. Seeing people push the boundaries on one side moves the middle slightly closer to that side.
- noman-land 3y ago
  This philosophy keeps the middle where it is but causes the extremes to get wider as both sides attempt the same method.
  - vogon_laureate 3y ago
    Newton's Third Law trumps the Overton Window.
  - kitkat_new 3y ago
    unless one side has already been overcome in the past, thus, is ignored
exabrial 3y ago
Unless you are a small business owner. I'm also positive dishing out the death penalty for petty theft would reduce crime in the long run. Stop using the end to justify the means. This isn't moral and isn't right.
- kitkat_new 3y ago
  > This isn't moral and isn't right. Why not?
  - wak90 3y ago
    This "person" in the same comment claims property damage to small business is such a tragedy and the death penalty should be used for petty crime. I don't think their "morals" are worth understanding in the slightest. These statements display a fundamental ignorance of morality, the role of criminal justice systems, research, the role of the state, the real current systems in place. To even begin a conversation with this person would require several sources demonstrating how their premises are all wrong and through experience this person will not engage in any of these sources.
Stevvo 3y ago
"(78%) of Britons think disruptive protest hinders activists’ causes". By that measure, they are not effective. What really helps any protest succeed is numbers. You have to be too big to ignore. That's not going to happen when the majority of people are opposed to your methods.
- kitkat_new 3y ago
  > You have to be too big to ignore. That's not going to happen when the majority of people are opposed to your methods. yet they are too big to ignore, obviously

12 points by kitkat_new 3y ago

I think most people tend to simply put themselves wherever they think the "middle" is of any political issue. The "middle" being whatever they think the middle of their "in-group" thinks. Out-group's opinion doesn't matter. Seeing people push the boundaries on one side moves the middle slightly closer to that side.

noman-land 3y ago
This philosophy keeps the middle where it is but causes the extremes to get wider as both sides attempt the same method.
- vogon_laureate 3y ago
  Newton's Third Law trumps the Overton Window.
- kitkat_new 3y ago
  unless one side has already been overcome in the past, thus, is ignored

exabrial 3y ago

Unless you are a small business owner. I'm also positive dishing out the death penalty for petty theft would reduce crime in the long run. Stop using the end to justify the means. This isn't moral and isn't right.

kitkat_new 3y ago
> This isn't moral and isn't right. Why not?
- wak90 3y ago
  This "person" in the same comment claims property damage to small business is such a tragedy and the death penalty should be used for petty crime. I don't think their "morals" are worth understanding in the slightest. These statements display a fundamental ignorance of morality, the role of criminal justice systems, research, the role of the state, the real current systems in place. To even begin a conversation with this person would require several sources demonstrating how their premises are all wrong and through experience this person will not engage in any of these sources.

Stevvo 3y ago

"(78%) of Britons think disruptive protest hinders activists’ causes". By that measure, they are not effective. What really helps any protest succeed is numbers. You have to be too big to ignore. That's not going to happen when the majority of people are opposed to your methods.

kitkat_new 3y ago
> You have to be too big to ignore. That's not going to happen when the majority of people are opposed to your methods. yet they are too big to ignore, obviously