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California vs. Algebra

10 points by gnicholas 3y ago

elteto 3y ago
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gnicholas 3y ago
Related coverage: https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/california-adopts-controversial-new-math-framework-heres-whats-in-it/2023/07 https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/california-adopts-c... https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-07-12/california-math-overhaul-focuses-on-equity-amid-low-test-scores https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-07-12/californ... https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/education/sf-leaders-voice-concern-over-statewide-math-framework/article_22ec1334-202b-11ee-8bc6-3bffff80550e.html https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/education/sf-leaders-voice-c... https://edsource.org/2023/state-board-of-education-passes-new-california-math-curriculum/693990 https://edsource.org/2023/state-board-of-education-passes-ne...
archo 3y ago
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anthk 3y ago
https://mathisfun.com https://mathisfun.com That will cover from basic math to Calculus and pre-College math and a bit more.
valianteffort 3y ago
>1,000-page framework The only thing that should ever be this dense is a textbook
yumraj 3y ago
Affirmative action gone + Math standards watered down = Even Fewer Black and Latino kids in college for STEM
gnicholas 3y ago
> Stanford math professor Brian Conrad found “many misrepresentations” in the shoddy research used to justify the new standards. I recall reading through the draft framework and thinking that it seemed like the research citations were unbelievable. For example, it claimed that a student can learn from being wrong, without even knowing that he's wrong. This seems unlikely, because you can't learn the right answer if you say the wrong thing and no one corrects you. I am grateful for Professor Conrad and other experts that spoke out about these many mistakes, and I am mystified at why the framework was adopted in spite of all of these mistakes. As others note, the student who will be most affected are those without involved families. Students whose families are involved in their education will make sure they get supplemental learning if their schools adopt this backwards approach to math.
dventimi 3y ago
Who here has used middle or high school algebra as an adult within the last year? Personally, I haven't used algebra, calculus, or trigonometry one bit, not once, either in a personal or professional setting, in at least the last five years. FWIW, I'm a physicist who moved on to software engineering, then machine learning, then management.
- gnicholas 3y ago
  Algebra? Sure. Never used trig, but have thought about calculus from time to time. For some students (those who plan to major in humanities, or some social sciences), taking calc in HS seems to be more of a signaling devices than anything else.
  - dventimi 3y ago
    I guess I must be the only one in a STEM field not using algebra, trigonometry, or calculus in my job. Evidently, everyone else is putting pen to paper routinely to reduce equations, compute geometric relations, and find integrals.
    - gnicholas 3y ago
      Who said anything about STEM? I’m in BD/legal and algebra comes up when thinking about budgets and pricing.
      - dventimi 3y ago
        I said something about STEM because math is right in the name and it's not controversial to expect those professions most likely to use it.
- brailsafe 3y ago
  You managed to not use calculus or algebra, even indirectly through having an intuitive understanding of it, during your time as a physicist or software engineer in machine learning?

10 points by gnicholas 3y ago

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Related coverage: https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/california-adopts-controversial-new-math-framework-heres-whats-in-it/2023/07 https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/california-adopts-c... https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-07-12/california-math-overhaul-focuses-on-equity-amid-low-test-scores https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-07-12/californ... https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/education/sf-leaders-voice-concern-over-statewide-math-framework/article_22ec1334-202b-11ee-8bc6-3bffff80550e.html https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/education/sf-leaders-voice-c... https://edsource.org/2023/state-board-of-education-passes-new-california-math-curriculum/693990 https://edsource.org/2023/state-board-of-education-passes-ne...

archo 3y ago

https://archive.is/Tc12M https://archive.is/Tc12M

anthk 3y ago

https://mathisfun.com https://mathisfun.com That will cover from basic math to Calculus and pre-College math and a bit more.

valianteffort 3y ago

>1,000-page framework The only thing that should ever be this dense is a textbook

yumraj 3y ago

Affirmative action gone + Math standards watered down = Even Fewer Black and Latino kids in college for STEM

gnicholas 3y ago

> Stanford math professor Brian Conrad found “many misrepresentations” in the shoddy research used to justify the new standards. I recall reading through the draft framework and thinking that it seemed like the research citations were unbelievable. For example, it claimed that a student can learn from being wrong, without even knowing that he's wrong. This seems unlikely, because you can't learn the right answer if you say the wrong thing and no one corrects you. I am grateful for Professor Conrad and other experts that spoke out about these many mistakes, and I am mystified at why the framework was adopted in spite of all of these mistakes. As others note, the student who will be most affected are those without involved families. Students whose families are involved in their education will make sure they get supplemental learning if their schools adopt this backwards approach to math.

dventimi 3y ago

Who here has used middle or high school algebra as an adult within the last year? Personally, I haven't used algebra, calculus, or trigonometry one bit, not once, either in a personal or professional setting, in at least the last five years. FWIW, I'm a physicist who moved on to software engineering, then machine learning, then management.

gnicholas 3y ago
Algebra? Sure. Never used trig, but have thought about calculus from time to time. For some students (those who plan to major in humanities, or some social sciences), taking calc in HS seems to be more of a signaling devices than anything else.
- dventimi 3y ago
  I guess I must be the only one in a STEM field not using algebra, trigonometry, or calculus in my job. Evidently, everyone else is putting pen to paper routinely to reduce equations, compute geometric relations, and find integrals.
  - gnicholas 3y ago
    Who said anything about STEM? I’m in BD/legal and algebra comes up when thinking about budgets and pricing.
    - dventimi 3y ago
      I said something about STEM because math is right in the name and it's not controversial to expect those professions most likely to use it.
brailsafe 3y ago
You managed to not use calculus or algebra, even indirectly through having an intuitive understanding of it, during your time as a physicist or software engineer in machine learning?