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> Please explain how my free speech is taken away by a TikTok ban. I don't understand. The executive is unilaterally deciding users cannot have an app on their

> Please explain how my free speech is taken away by a TikTok ban. I don't understand. The executive is unilaterally deciding users cannot have an app on their phone, and that as a US citizen I cannot access APIs in another country simply because the executive has declared it. For me it is all about how this is implemented and there is no way I can see this not being implemented in a way that serves as a vast expansion of government powers. Do they shut tikTok out of DNS? Do they tell people they aren't allowed to install the app? Do they tell google and apple they aren't allowed to have the app in the app star? Do they block their IPs from being routed in the US? There's no real way to bring a "TikTok" ban into effect that doesn't constitute a massive increase of power the executive has to regulate the internet. On the flip side I 100% think we need to figure out how to get TikTok out of here as it is 100% a tool by the CCP. So I am conflicted and confused.

cheriot 3y ago
> The executive is unilaterally deciding users cannot have an app on their phone, and that as a US citizen I cannot access APIs in another country simply because the executive has declared it. I can understand not liking that, but it has nothing to do with free speech. This is regulating commerce. > There's no real way to bring a "TikTok" ban into effect that doesn't constitute a massive increase of power the executive TikTok is a company with a balance sheet to protect. They'll pull their app when told to avoid the US government taking their money. Apple and Google will also pull it from the app store. There's nothing new here.
beowulfey 3y ago
None of things you list here have anything to do with speech, though. Nor do they oppress the things you say. The point of parent’s comment is calling this oppression of speech is incorrect, and I’d agree. Does that make this any less of a bad thing? In my mind, no! But lets argue for or against it on genuine terms.
- 8n4vidtmkvmk 3y ago
  Isn't tiktok a tool used for speech? If we take away phones, radios and TV is that blocking free speech? I can still technically go outdoors and shout but my reach isn't as far. I mean I guess I can technically still articulate my opinions without retaliation and legal sanction but I think this goes against the "censorship" bit if they take away our platforms.
  - beowulfey 3y ago
    I don’t know. To me there is a difference in blocking a specific tool versus blocking a specific topic or phrase, which is what I would call censorship. Even the media type being blocked still has (albeit worse) alternatives; instagram, youtube, snapchat, and probably others have a similar format that could still be used. So it’s not really preventing us from using the “short clip” format for speech in general. Maybe I’m just old. But it feels disingenuous to call it an affront to freedom of speech. TO BE CLEAR, it’s not GOOD, and I don’t think it should HAPPEN. But it’s just weird to see the meaning of words shift before my eyes.
    - 8n4vidtmkvmk 3y ago
      That's fair. This act alone I don't think is an attempt to suppress American voices. It's wrong for other reasons. Still worried it sets a bad precedent for shutting down things they don't like.

cheriot 3y ago

> The executive is unilaterally deciding users cannot have an app on their phone, and that as a US citizen I cannot access APIs in another country simply because the executive has declared it. I can understand not liking that, but it has nothing to do with free speech. This is regulating commerce. > There's no real way to bring a "TikTok" ban into effect that doesn't constitute a massive increase of power the executive TikTok is a company with a balance sheet to protect. They'll pull their app when told to avoid the US government taking their money. Apple and Google will also pull it from the app store. There's nothing new here.

beowulfey 3y ago

None of things you list here have anything to do with speech, though. Nor do they oppress the things you say. The point of parent’s comment is calling this oppression of speech is incorrect, and I’d agree. Does that make this any less of a bad thing? In my mind, no! But lets argue for or against it on genuine terms.

8n4vidtmkvmk 3y ago
Isn't tiktok a tool used for speech? If we take away phones, radios and TV is that blocking free speech? I can still technically go outdoors and shout but my reach isn't as far. I mean I guess I can technically still articulate my opinions without retaliation and legal sanction but I think this goes against the "censorship" bit if they take away our platforms.
- beowulfey 3y ago
  I don’t know. To me there is a difference in blocking a specific tool versus blocking a specific topic or phrase, which is what I would call censorship. Even the media type being blocked still has (albeit worse) alternatives; instagram, youtube, snapchat, and probably others have a similar format that could still be used. So it’s not really preventing us from using the “short clip” format for speech in general. Maybe I’m just old. But it feels disingenuous to call it an affront to freedom of speech. TO BE CLEAR, it’s not GOOD, and I don’t think it should HAPPEN. But it’s just weird to see the meaning of words shift before my eyes.
  - 8n4vidtmkvmk 3y ago
    That's fair. This act alone I don't think is an attempt to suppress American voices. It's wrong for other reasons. Still worried it sets a bad precedent for shutting down things they don't like.