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That's not a kind reading of the complaint. Someone added a "feature" (baked light maps) with one day's worth of work. However, the feature was incomplete and b

by rcme 3y ago

That's not a kind reading of the complaint. Someone added a "feature" (baked light maps) with one day's worth of work. However, the feature was incomplete and broken and it took a whole year to "fix." That definitely seems like project mismanagement. This ties in to the OP's broader complaints that things are promised and never delivered or delivered in an incomplete and unusable state.

johnfn 3y ago
I mean, even that interpretation seems like a wildly distorted view of reality. I've been watching the Godot community for years now and they're one of the most productive teams I've ever seen. Simply looking at the changelogs for minor versions and seeing how many bugs they fix and features they add should be proof enough of this. I mean, my god, for 4.0 they rewrote all of GDScript, and that was just a line item. The fact that someone's pet feature slipped through the cracks for longer than they would have like smacks of either a lack of understanding of the software development process, or entitlement.
- rcme 3y ago
  > Simply looking at the changelogs for minor versions and seeing how many bugs they fix and features they add should be proof enough of this. I mean, my god, for 4.0 they rewrote all of GDScript, and that was just a line item. This doesn't disagree with OP at all. For instance, I remember the announcement for baked lightmaps. According to OP, despite the fanfare, the feature didn't actually work. I don't use Godot, so I can't really comment on the validity of OP's claims, but just reading the changelogs isn't sufficient to dismiss OP either.
- Hamcha 3y ago
  The changelogs don't tell the full story. I've been trying to use the C# since Godot 3.0 when it was announced as the new hot feature and.. it wasn't ready, it was missing big essential integrations (like exported variables). Then 3.1 comes around promising "no for real, it works now" and it STILL wasn't ready. Sadly I've been noticing that this overpromising and underdelivering is the trend in the release notes.
  - johnfn 3y ago
    I'll admit that it took time, but C# in 4.0 is amazing - I've used it and it's totally a first class citizen. > overpromising and underdelivering Man, this is an open source project done off donations. Doing an integration with an external language is so challenging that the Unity team - a group of fully salaried professional developers - actually abandoned their "JavaScript" and "Python" integrations.
    - Hamcha 3y ago
      They are still ironing it out. Not missing anything particularly of what you would expect from C# itself, but GDScript still has the edge in some things eg. master/puppet function annotation for multiplayer (unless that changed recently, but I could not find documentation about it).
  - knighthack 3y ago
    You're free to demand things if you paid for it. They overpromised on a free project, which you didn't pay for. It's a non-commercial project - I'd give a lot more leeway for that. Otherwise, go to Unity, and see how fast they fix the bugs in the things they promised to deliver. Moreover it wasn't that they were lackadaisical; they overdelivered on other aspects of the Godot project. Sometimes some pet feature can wait, compared to improvements for other serious features that affect a wider profile (e.g. GDScript, C# integration, and the tons of other stuff in their 4.1 changelogs). Their resolution and closing of issues on the Godot repo is also really impressive and consistent for an open-source project.
    - rcme 3y ago
      > They overpromised on a free project, which you didn't pay for. I think part of OP’s issue is that “they” (the main Godot developer) is starting a for-profit business that directly profits from the community’s goodwill. OP themselves is paying hundreds of dollars a month to run the forums not to mention the time investment. I can understand the frustration of seeing the community languish while the main focus turns to a for-profit enterprise.
djur 3y ago
"The project is mismanaged" is a much different and less incendiary claim than "the project is a scam", though.

by rcme 3y ago

johnfn 3y ago

I mean, even that interpretation seems like a wildly distorted view of reality. I've been watching the Godot community for years now and they're one of the most productive teams I've ever seen. Simply looking at the changelogs for minor versions and seeing how many bugs they fix and features they add should be proof enough of this. I mean, my god, for 4.0 they rewrote all of GDScript, and that was just a line item. The fact that someone's pet feature slipped through the cracks for longer than they would have like smacks of either a lack of understanding of the software development process, or entitlement.

rcme 3y ago
> Simply looking at the changelogs for minor versions and seeing how many bugs they fix and features they add should be proof enough of this. I mean, my god, for 4.0 they rewrote all of GDScript, and that was just a line item. This doesn't disagree with OP at all. For instance, I remember the announcement for baked lightmaps. According to OP, despite the fanfare, the feature didn't actually work. I don't use Godot, so I can't really comment on the validity of OP's claims, but just reading the changelogs isn't sufficient to dismiss OP either.
Hamcha 3y ago
The changelogs don't tell the full story. I've been trying to use the C# since Godot 3.0 when it was announced as the new hot feature and.. it wasn't ready, it was missing big essential integrations (like exported variables). Then 3.1 comes around promising "no for real, it works now" and it STILL wasn't ready. Sadly I've been noticing that this overpromising and underdelivering is the trend in the release notes.
- johnfn 3y ago
  I'll admit that it took time, but C# in 4.0 is amazing - I've used it and it's totally a first class citizen. > overpromising and underdelivering Man, this is an open source project done off donations. Doing an integration with an external language is so challenging that the Unity team - a group of fully salaried professional developers - actually abandoned their "JavaScript" and "Python" integrations.
  - Hamcha 3y ago
    They are still ironing it out. Not missing anything particularly of what you would expect from C# itself, but GDScript still has the edge in some things eg. master/puppet function annotation for multiplayer (unless that changed recently, but I could not find documentation about it).
- knighthack 3y ago
  You're free to demand things if you paid for it. They overpromised on a free project, which you didn't pay for. It's a non-commercial project - I'd give a lot more leeway for that. Otherwise, go to Unity, and see how fast they fix the bugs in the things they promised to deliver. Moreover it wasn't that they were lackadaisical; they overdelivered on other aspects of the Godot project. Sometimes some pet feature can wait, compared to improvements for other serious features that affect a wider profile (e.g. GDScript, C# integration, and the tons of other stuff in their 4.1 changelogs). Their resolution and closing of issues on the Godot repo is also really impressive and consistent for an open-source project.
  - rcme 3y ago
    > They overpromised on a free project, which you didn't pay for. I think part of OP’s issue is that “they” (the main Godot developer) is starting a for-profit business that directly profits from the community’s goodwill. OP themselves is paying hundreds of dollars a month to run the forums not to mention the time investment. I can understand the frustration of seeing the community languish while the main focus turns to a for-profit enterprise.

djur 3y ago

"The project is mismanaged" is a much different and less incendiary claim than "the project is a scam", though.