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No situation at all? What if you were on that street?

coldpie 3y ago
Then it should vibrate like any other notification. There is no situation I can think of that is improved by someone at city hall having the ability to make every phone in the area scream at full volume, versus just behaving like a normal notification.
- ineedasername 3y ago
  >There is no situation I can think of The horizons of your thinking appear to be truncated to somewhere within a few dozen yards and ~10 minutes of your current time & location. Can you think of no incident where there was an otherwise avoidable death or injury that could have been prevented with a timely alert?
  - coldpie 3y ago
    Not one that couldn't have been equally well handled by a normal notification, no.
    - ineedasername 3y ago
      I'm not quite clear on this-- are you maintaining that stance only with respect to yourself, or for all people across society in all situations?
      - coldpie 3y ago
        For me, it is unacceptable for my phone to ever make a noise that I did not ask it to make. I can't think of any situation in which this is not true. A normal notification will get my attention just fine. If I have to choose between deafening noise and no notification, I will choose no notification every time. I think there should be a third option, which is to treat them like normal notifications. This is so obvious to me that I'm utterly baffled that it isn't an option. We probably wouldn't even be having this discussion if the option existed. But it doesn't, so here we are. I would even OK with deafening noise being the default. I would argue that it shouldn't be the default, as I think the false-alarm problem is a serious one that will cause people to just turn it off. But I understand the other side of the argument. My opinion is anything that causes a bunch of deafening noise from every phone in the vicinity should be treated with the same level of gravity as turning on the tornado siren. We don't turn on the tornado siren for every kid who gets lost or every flooded road. We shouldn't be blowing up every phone for those events, either. Tornado coming to town? Ok, blow up the phones. Missile coming down from the sky? Ok, blow up the phones. City-destroying wildfire coming in? Ok, blow up the phones. Kid got in the wrong car? Berry St is flooded? Sorry, those doesn't qualify for the tornado alarm, so they don't qualify for blowing up phones either.
        ineedasername 3y ago
        Okay, then it's just a matter of you & I drawing the line in different places, and maybe yours is further out due to less likelihood of dangerous weather conditions, or the thrill of potentially having an unscheduled white-water rafting experience through the town, or personal preference. I can see your point about the defaults. Cheers!

Then it should vibrate like any other notification. There is no situation I can think of that is improved by someone at city hall having the ability to make every phone in the area scream at full volume, versus just behaving like a normal notification.

ineedasername 3y ago
>There is no situation I can think of The horizons of your thinking appear to be truncated to somewhere within a few dozen yards and ~10 minutes of your current time & location. Can you think of no incident where there was an otherwise avoidable death or injury that could have been prevented with a timely alert?
- coldpie 3y ago
  Not one that couldn't have been equally well handled by a normal notification, no.
  - ineedasername 3y ago
    I'm not quite clear on this-- are you maintaining that stance only with respect to yourself, or for all people across society in all situations?
    - coldpie 3y ago
      For me, it is unacceptable for my phone to ever make a noise that I did not ask it to make. I can't think of any situation in which this is not true. A normal notification will get my attention just fine. If I have to choose between deafening noise and no notification, I will choose no notification every time. I think there should be a third option, which is to treat them like normal notifications. This is so obvious to me that I'm utterly baffled that it isn't an option. We probably wouldn't even be having this discussion if the option existed. But it doesn't, so here we are. I would even OK with deafening noise being the default. I would argue that it shouldn't be the default, as I think the false-alarm problem is a serious one that will cause people to just turn it off. But I understand the other side of the argument. My opinion is anything that causes a bunch of deafening noise from every phone in the vicinity should be treated with the same level of gravity as turning on the tornado siren. We don't turn on the tornado siren for every kid who gets lost or every flooded road. We shouldn't be blowing up every phone for those events, either. Tornado coming to town? Ok, blow up the phones. Missile coming down from the sky? Ok, blow up the phones. City-destroying wildfire coming in? Ok, blow up the phones. Kid got in the wrong car? Berry St is flooded? Sorry, those doesn't qualify for the tornado alarm, so they don't qualify for blowing up phones either.
      - ineedasername 3y ago
        Okay, then it's just a matter of you & I drawing the line in different places, and maybe yours is further out due to less likelihood of dangerous weather conditions, or the thrill of potentially having an unscheduled white-water rafting experience through the town, or personal preference. I can see your point about the defaults. Cheers!