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The problems you mentioned are real, but I am not convinced they are the root cause for low birthrates. Do you think that Sweden, Norway, and Finland are hostil

The problems you mentioned are real, but I am not convinced they are the root cause for low birthrates. Do you think that Sweden, Norway, and Finland are hostile to parenthood?

ssnistfajen 3y ago
For career-oriented people, yes. Those countries operate on the same market economy principles as every other industrialized nation. Extensive welfare and benefits coverage not reversing the birthrate decline only further reinforces my argument that the root cause lies deep within how our society functions.
- jjkeddo199 3y ago
  Are you saying that a free market economy is incompatible with high birth rates? How did even less generous free market nations have high birth rates in the past? Don't you think being forced to choose between having a free market and having high birth rates an even more extreme idea than the one in my OP?
  - ssnistfajen 3y ago
    >Are you saying that a free market economy is incompatible with high birth rates? Industrialized free market economies are incompatible with high birth rates. >How did even less generous free market nations have high birth rates in the past? Because those nations were not yet fully industrialized nor did they respect basic human rights for every individual. Even in the U.S. it was not possible to have a no-fault divorce until the 1970s. >Don't you think being forced to choose between having a free market and having high birth rates an even more extreme idea than the one in my OP? Do you also think stock buybacks is an "extreme idea"? It's the nature of every business in a free market economy. This is why they punish employees who take leave instead of continuing to work.
    - jjkeddo199 3y ago
      I don't think birthrates are strongly tied to the economic system. I don't believe every human being before BC was having their human rights violated just because it didn't exist yet. I think that BC is an extremely powerful tool to fight poverty, but that the tradeoffs it could have on society aren't fully understood yet either. We should be open to the idea that there are tradeoffs here.
      - ssnistfajen 3y ago
        Good luck trying to advocate for gross human rights violations while ignoring the true cause of the problem.

The problems you mentioned are real, but I am not convinced they are the root cause for low birthrates. Do you think that Sweden, Norway, and Finland are hostile to parenthood?

ssnistfajen 3y ago

For career-oriented people, yes. Those countries operate on the same market economy principles as every other industrialized nation. Extensive welfare and benefits coverage not reversing the birthrate decline only further reinforces my argument that the root cause lies deep within how our society functions.

jjkeddo199 3y ago
Are you saying that a free market economy is incompatible with high birth rates? How did even less generous free market nations have high birth rates in the past? Don't you think being forced to choose between having a free market and having high birth rates an even more extreme idea than the one in my OP?
- ssnistfajen 3y ago
  >Are you saying that a free market economy is incompatible with high birth rates? Industrialized free market economies are incompatible with high birth rates. >How did even less generous free market nations have high birth rates in the past? Because those nations were not yet fully industrialized nor did they respect basic human rights for every individual. Even in the U.S. it was not possible to have a no-fault divorce until the 1970s. >Don't you think being forced to choose between having a free market and having high birth rates an even more extreme idea than the one in my OP? Do you also think stock buybacks is an "extreme idea"? It's the nature of every business in a free market economy. This is why they punish employees who take leave instead of continuing to work.
  - jjkeddo199 3y ago
    I don't think birthrates are strongly tied to the economic system. I don't believe every human being before BC was having their human rights violated just because it didn't exist yet. I think that BC is an extremely powerful tool to fight poverty, but that the tradeoffs it could have on society aren't fully understood yet either. We should be open to the idea that there are tradeoffs here.
    - ssnistfajen 3y ago
      Good luck trying to advocate for gross human rights violations while ignoring the true cause of the problem.