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That new housing is "snake development projects", It's not snake oil because it's new. But because of the blatant lies (and occasionally more subtle distortio

That new housing is "snake development projects", It's not snake oil because it's new. But because of the blatant lies (and occasionally more subtle distortions) in the developer's project proposal, staring everyone right in the face. Nor is all new development bad, nor old development ipso facto good, by any stretch. We get the issues, and understand the tradeoffs. And I, at least, don't demonize YIMBYists. I just wish they'd stop being so smug, and find a better way of supporting their position than simply responding to any expression of opposing viewpoint with facile generalizations and tired caricatures.

davidw 3y ago
In a lot of cases, those caricatures write themselves: Oregon passed HB2001 a few years back, which re-legalizes up to 4-plexes anywhere single family units are allowed. Good stuff with bipartisan support! And this lady was out there in the paper wailing about how we were going to see tricycles in yards https://ktvz.com/news/bend/2021/09/13/some-bend-residents-oppose-citys-proposed-housing-code-changes-under-hb-2001/ https://ktvz.com/news/bend/2021/09/13/some-bend-residents-op... And you see the unsatisfiable concerns over and over and over again. It's pretty rare to see a "yes, this project looks ok, but could we add this thing to it or do this other thing a bit differently?", where the asks are within reach and not impossible.
- lisasays 3y ago
  This is exactly what I'm talking about: Anything less than a confirmed Yes vote (perhaps with caveats, but ultimately: a Yes vote) to whatever the developer proposes is, in the YIMBYist book, equivalent to the objections of that lady in Oregon.
  - davidw 3y ago
    Not really. Here, our YIMBY group works, from time to time, with the local bicycle advocacy group to improve new projects. We've found developers to be quite receptive to polite dialogue about potentially problematic bits and pieces of their projects. Most public comments are simply unrealistic or "no!", though. No project is going to be perfect, ever, and we're desperately in need of more homes, so yeah, let's build more! The tricycle lady wasn't just some random person, either, she used to be on the planning commission, and helped kill a number of badly needed apartments in the 'nice' bit of town.
- hnbear 3y ago
  Funny. When our neighbours sold their house they stopped by all the houses around to deliberately leave kids toys out front everywhere. They wanted the area to look extra kid friendly. It was a very family heavy, child friendly area, no one minded. People do look for communities that actually talk to each other.

davidw 3y ago

In a lot of cases, those caricatures write themselves: Oregon passed HB2001 a few years back, which re-legalizes up to 4-plexes anywhere single family units are allowed. Good stuff with bipartisan support! And this lady was out there in the paper wailing about how we were going to see tricycles in yards https://ktvz.com/news/bend/2021/09/13/some-bend-residents-oppose-citys-proposed-housing-code-changes-under-hb-2001/ https://ktvz.com/news/bend/2021/09/13/some-bend-residents-op... And you see the unsatisfiable concerns over and over and over again. It's pretty rare to see a "yes, this project looks ok, but could we add this thing to it or do this other thing a bit differently?", where the asks are within reach and not impossible.

lisasays 3y ago
This is exactly what I'm talking about: Anything less than a confirmed Yes vote (perhaps with caveats, but ultimately: a Yes vote) to whatever the developer proposes is, in the YIMBYist book, equivalent to the objections of that lady in Oregon.
- davidw 3y ago
  Not really. Here, our YIMBY group works, from time to time, with the local bicycle advocacy group to improve new projects. We've found developers to be quite receptive to polite dialogue about potentially problematic bits and pieces of their projects. Most public comments are simply unrealistic or "no!", though. No project is going to be perfect, ever, and we're desperately in need of more homes, so yeah, let's build more! The tricycle lady wasn't just some random person, either, she used to be on the planning commission, and helped kill a number of badly needed apartments in the 'nice' bit of town.
hnbear 3y ago
Funny. When our neighbours sold their house they stopped by all the houses around to deliberately leave kids toys out front everywhere. They wanted the area to look extra kid friendly. It was a very family heavy, child friendly area, no one minded. People do look for communities that actually talk to each other.