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Men can wear condoms and/or get a vasectomy.
by isykt 3y ago
Men can wear condoms and/or get a vasectomy.
- maerF0x0 3y agoWomen can wear condoms and/or get Tubal ligation. And yet Men have 100% liability the moment it leaves our body, potentially including in cases of paternity fraud.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago[flagged]
- maerF0x0 3y agoPaternity fraud is if it becomes a He said she said about how she became pregnant. See the whole NBA condom controversy.
- lotsofpulp 3y agoOh, I thought it meant when courts require the non biological father to pay child support. I can see your description being relevant, but at that point you should probably be getting video testimony of consent before engaging in sex, preferably with a notary type witness. I am just half joking, I do not really know what any other solution would be to a he said she said scenario.
- bamfly 3y ago> If men do not want kids, it is easy for them not to. Weird to see the "your CHOICE was when you CHOSE to have sex!" anti-abortion argument re-purposed in this way, but, OK.
- lotsofpulp 3y agoNot really, as a woman’s pregnancy affects her body and life quite a bit more drastically than it affects a man. Ideally, men would be equal in this regard, but nature does not work like that so we have to work with what we have. If you can come up with a better solution that does not violate a woman’s autonomy over their body and also does not let men off the hook for providing for their kids, I am all ears (or eyes I guess). Perhaps the government provides for everyone’s kids?
- bamfly 3y agoOh, I agree it's complex and there are meaningful differences in how the whole pregnancy thing is experienced, and that the needs of kids maybe should override weird selfish libertarian-adjacent "pft, totally unfair to make me pay for any of this!" attitudes (cases of actual fraud being... another matter, potentially). I was just caught off guard by that particular argument being employed in that way. "Well it's easy for a man to simply not have sex, if they don't want kids they shouldn't have sex, that's the end of that" is... not usually well-received (and shouldn't be) when the positions are reversed, even when the context is entirely about consensual sex.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago> even when the context is entirely about consensual sex. I thought this context was about ensuring women have access to over the counter birth control, which can be a benefit in the case of consensual and non consensual sexual. Especially in non consensual sex.
- maerF0x0 3y ago> , as a woman’s pregnancy affects her body and life quite a bit more drastically than it affects a man. Until he's hit with life time payments for a child they agreed would be aborted, and he's thrown in jail for not paying it.
- isykt 3y agoIt pretty much evens out, given what being pregnant does to someone. You could always just sleep with men if it really bothers you that much.
- maerF0x0 3y agoThe same could be said to women i guess. your point transposes to > If women don't like the risk of getting pregnant and not being allowed to have an abortion, they can just sleep with women. It's both insensitive and obviously not a good argument.
- az_reth 3y agoOr just stop showering /s
- loeg 3y agoProviders can be loath to give men vasectomies if they haven't already had children. That's changing, but still can be a barrier.