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This reminded me to look up Vasalgel again (a single-application, non-hormonal, long-lasting, reversible male contraceptive that is unfortunately not yet commer

This reminded me to look up Vasalgel again (a single-application, non-hormonal, long-lasting, reversible male contraceptive that is unfortunately not yet commercially available), and I see that it seems to have taken a meaningful step forward: https://www.parsemus.org/humanhealth/male-contraceptive-research/vasalgel-male-contraceptive/ https://www.parsemus.org/humanhealth/male-contraceptive-rese... Apparently a company's moving forward with an attempt to productize it: https://www.planaformen.com/ https://www.planaformen.com/ With an option like that in the wings, and not yet shown to have any ill effects in men so far, it's hard not to cynically think that hormonal birth control is pushed forward because a monthly or daily pill is far more profitable than a once-in-a-decade injection / flushing.

raybb 3y ago
Thanks for sharing about this. Looks like they're hoping for a wide market release in 2026. https://idahocapitalsun.com/2023/04/11/viable-male-birth-control-options-could-be-on-the-horizon/ https://idahocapitalsun.com/2023/04/11/viable-male-birth-con...
babyshake 3y ago
One thing that has occurred to me about these types of medications is men are seemingly more willing to lie than women about being on contraception. IMO that's just a reason to criminalize that type of deceptive behavior and not prevent people from having access to the drug.
- webinvest 3y ago
  You could have a medical procedure certification card.
- hombre_fatal 3y ago
  That doesn't make much sense to me since you can lie about a vasectomy or, more simply, about pulling out. Only the woman, at the end of the day, when it comes to men she can't trust, can either avoid getting raw-dogged OR take a contraceptive to be sure, herself, since she's the one at risk of getting pregnant.
- DangitBobby 3y ago
  Are you talking about condoms or hormonal birth control? Are there results on a study I can read somewhere about how often people lie about contraceptive use? Can't find anything.
- bitshiftfaced 3y ago
  I don't believe that would be politically tenable. The state / society wants fathers (or at least someone) to pay child support. This kind of law would have a chilling effect on mothers who claim or simply allow someone to take the child's role as a father, even if they're not sure.
kridsdale3 3y ago
There are tens of thousands of men taking injectables in the US and worldwide today who completely bypass the medical gatekeeping establishment. These injectables have been shown to reduce fertility to nil and last for up to 6 months. The specific one in question here (very dangerous in small doses, do not seek) is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trestolone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trestolone These men also have an extremely high risk of side effects (as they are taking some of the strongest androgens) including: - Losing fat - Getting extremely strong and muscular - Deepening of the voice - Awful sleep disruption which leads to irritability, with profoundly violent and sexual dreams - Much lower patience - A sense of high-energy - Acne all over the place, that becomes cystic and doesn't respond to typical treatment - Big increase in body hair - Big loss of head hair - Enormously increased chances of death from heart disease or liver or kidney failure Most guys are taking this for the muscle and energy effects, and consider sterilization a side effect. It's when the same molecule is being looked at from the perspective of temporary sterilization as the desired effect that all the bodybuilder stuff becomes the side effect.
- hombre_fatal 3y ago
  From wikipedia: > Side effects of trestolone use in men include low estrogen levels and associated symptoms such as reduced sexual function > Trestolone may cause sexual dysfunction (e.g., decreased sex drive, reduced erectile function) Well, that's one way to avoid pregnancy.
  - mock-possum 3y ago
    Sex is a distraction from gainz
maerF0x0 3y ago
It's often funny to me how there will be such a massive gnashing of teeth about whether or not something is prescription or OTC available to women, when Men essentially have no contraceptive choice and have 100% liability the moment it leaves our body, potentially including in cases of paternity fraud. It'd be like if we told women they had to have the baby the moment their egg accepts a sperm, regardless of the reasons it ended up there.
- isykt 3y ago
  Men can wear condoms and/or get a vasectomy.
  - maerF0x0 3y ago
    Women can wear condoms and/or get Tubal ligation. And yet Men have 100% liability the moment it leaves our body, potentially including in cases of paternity fraud.
    - lotsofpulp 3y ago
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      - maerF0x0 3y ago
        Paternity fraud is if it becomes a He said she said about how she became pregnant. See the whole NBA condom controversy.
        lotsofpulp 3y ago
        Oh, I thought it meant when courts require the non biological father to pay child support. I can see your description being relevant, but at that point you should probably be getting video testimony of consent before engaging in sex, preferably with a notary type witness. I am just half joking, I do not really know what any other solution would be to a he said she said scenario.
      - 3y ago

raybb 3y ago

Thanks for sharing about this. Looks like they're hoping for a wide market release in 2026. https://idahocapitalsun.com/2023/04/11/viable-male-birth-control-options-could-be-on-the-horizon/ https://idahocapitalsun.com/2023/04/11/viable-male-birth-con...

babyshake 3y ago

One thing that has occurred to me about these types of medications is men are seemingly more willing to lie than women about being on contraception. IMO that's just a reason to criminalize that type of deceptive behavior and not prevent people from having access to the drug.

webinvest 3y ago
You could have a medical procedure certification card.
hombre_fatal 3y ago
That doesn't make much sense to me since you can lie about a vasectomy or, more simply, about pulling out. Only the woman, at the end of the day, when it comes to men she can't trust, can either avoid getting raw-dogged OR take a contraceptive to be sure, herself, since she's the one at risk of getting pregnant.
DangitBobby 3y ago
Are you talking about condoms or hormonal birth control? Are there results on a study I can read somewhere about how often people lie about contraceptive use? Can't find anything.
bitshiftfaced 3y ago
I don't believe that would be politically tenable. The state / society wants fathers (or at least someone) to pay child support. This kind of law would have a chilling effect on mothers who claim or simply allow someone to take the child's role as a father, even if they're not sure.

kridsdale3 3y ago

There are tens of thousands of men taking injectables in the US and worldwide today who completely bypass the medical gatekeeping establishment. These injectables have been shown to reduce fertility to nil and last for up to 6 months. The specific one in question here (very dangerous in small doses, do not seek) is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trestolone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trestolone These men also have an extremely high risk of side effects (as they are taking some of the strongest androgens) including: - Losing fat - Getting extremely strong and muscular - Deepening of the voice - Awful sleep disruption which leads to irritability, with profoundly violent and sexual dreams - Much lower patience - A sense of high-energy - Acne all over the place, that becomes cystic and doesn't respond to typical treatment - Big increase in body hair - Big loss of head hair - Enormously increased chances of death from heart disease or liver or kidney failure Most guys are taking this for the muscle and energy effects, and consider sterilization a side effect. It's when the same molecule is being looked at from the perspective of temporary sterilization as the desired effect that all the bodybuilder stuff becomes the side effect.

hombre_fatal 3y ago
From wikipedia: > Side effects of trestolone use in men include low estrogen levels and associated symptoms such as reduced sexual function > Trestolone may cause sexual dysfunction (e.g., decreased sex drive, reduced erectile function) Well, that's one way to avoid pregnancy.
- mock-possum 3y ago
  Sex is a distraction from gainz

maerF0x0 3y ago

It's often funny to me how there will be such a massive gnashing of teeth about whether or not something is prescription or OTC available to women, when Men essentially have no contraceptive choice and have 100% liability the moment it leaves our body, potentially including in cases of paternity fraud. It'd be like if we told women they had to have the baby the moment their egg accepts a sperm, regardless of the reasons it ended up there.

isykt 3y ago
Men can wear condoms and/or get a vasectomy.
- maerF0x0 3y ago
  Women can wear condoms and/or get Tubal ligation. And yet Men have 100% liability the moment it leaves our body, potentially including in cases of paternity fraud.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
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    - maerF0x0 3y ago
      Paternity fraud is if it becomes a He said she said about how she became pregnant. See the whole NBA condom controversy.
      - lotsofpulp 3y ago
        Oh, I thought it meant when courts require the non biological father to pay child support. I can see your description being relevant, but at that point you should probably be getting video testimony of consent before engaging in sex, preferably with a notary type witness. I am just half joking, I do not really know what any other solution would be to a he said she said scenario.
    - 3y ago