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Yep, that's the fetish these guys have. Old grouchy misanthrope in a Tilley hat becomes local hero during an earthquake.

by nvy 3y ago

dylan604 3y ago
and you sound exactly like the type of person that will be the first one crying to everyone that their wifi isn't working and they're missing some ridiculous TikTok time waste instead of helping out with the situation.
- mlyle 3y ago
  As a long time radio amateur, extra class, licensed since 1995: I don't really like the attitude. There's legitimate concerns about the longevity of the hobby. The average ARRL member is 68 years old. There's also a bigger and bigger disconnect between older operators and (the few) younger operators. Most of the hobby is not prepared to help with emcomm. And I think you (and a lot of people) overstate how helpful amateur emcomm is. In the past couple decades, local officials have gotten pretty good systems for getting high priority traffic out of the local area (which is what HF was previously for). Amateur volunteers relaying things in the local area are helpful in keeping disaster logistics running smoothly. Radio skills are not a big part of it, for the most part. I'm a teacher and passionate about radio. I don't know how to get my students into radio and make it into a good experience for them. They're way too likely to face hostility, racist political rants, etc. So I haven't pushed on it.
  - MandieD 3y ago
    I'd encourage them to focus on the digital modes as a way to test the things they build and learn about propagation. The communities around digital modes also seem to be nicer and more diverse. There are still lots of old guys in these parts of the hobby, but ones open-minded enough at least to learn new things, and I've not had any issues with them despite having a distinctly female first name. WSPR is the best place to start, in my opinion - lots of results for really low capital investment (5W is high power), really lending itself to DIY.
    - mlyle 3y ago
      The one place I've gotten some slight traction is that we have a group of students building a satellite for eventual launch and operations. So they have deployed a satellite ground station, and have been taking line-scan photos of our region via NOAA satellites. Licensing is ultimately going to be important to transmit, etc. WSPR is amazing, but there's a certain "so what"-- I can send a packet over there, too, via the public internet. Radio doesn't make sense to kids anymore: like they really don't get it.
  - dghlsakjg 3y ago
    I'm a former HAM. And the "grumpy old-man" majority is what really turned me off of it when I was younger. I occasionally still use SDR to listen in to HF/whatever, and it seems like the "old-man" factor has only gotten worse. Last time I listened to the HF SSTV (it would have been in 2021 or 2022) channels I gave up after getting an anti-Hillary meme. As for emergency preparedness... No. Hams don't really play a role anymore. Satellite texting/Starlink, digital repeaters for agencies, generally available idiot-proof radios are all things that would have to fail. There's a reason that the volunteer SAR team near me just buy off the shelf stuff from Motorola instead of trying to recruit Hams. Even in some sort of failure like that, I would rather have an air band or marine band radio than a Ham radio.
    - mlyle 3y ago
      I think you overstate what I had originally argued. Our local CERT makes big use of amateur emcomm. But it's the non-critical stuff: neighborhood liasions to go out and spot things, or volunteers in a truck to relay supply needs at peripheral stations. It's a parallel line of communications (with a separate set of humans making a judgment of what's important to escalate), which is useful when administrative and decision-making capacity is constrained. And it has different failure modes, which is nice, too. Even little things: visible volunteer patrols by amateur operators for fireworks laws violations just helped my city tamp down the normal dozens of fires to only two and hastened the firefighting response.
      - dghlsakjg 3y ago
        I was just relaying my experience as a former teenage ham. As a counterpoint, I once was involved with a backcountry emergency where, at a certain point, it made sense to have a non licensed person on a radio. We actually had the local grump hop on and tie up the frequency chastising them for using the radio. That felt very in line with the ham community. Sure, Hams can provide utility in an emergency, but Hams also like to overstate just how essential they are in these situations (scroll up for evidence). Volunteer fire patrols are great and all, but an independent radio network for the volunteers is not exactly required, or providing anything a cell phone can’t
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- nvy 3y ago
  How charming. Email is in my profile if you'd like to discuss this further.

Yep, that's the fetish these guys have. Old grouchy misanthrope in a Tilley hat becomes local hero during an earthquake.

by nvy 3y ago

Yep, that's the fetish these guys have. Old grouchy misanthrope in a Tilley hat becomes local hero during an earthquake.

dylan604 3y ago

and you sound exactly like the type of person that will be the first one crying to everyone that their wifi isn't working and they're missing some ridiculous TikTok time waste instead of helping out with the situation.

mlyle 3y ago
As a long time radio amateur, extra class, licensed since 1995: I don't really like the attitude. There's legitimate concerns about the longevity of the hobby. The average ARRL member is 68 years old. There's also a bigger and bigger disconnect between older operators and (the few) younger operators. Most of the hobby is not prepared to help with emcomm. And I think you (and a lot of people) overstate how helpful amateur emcomm is. In the past couple decades, local officials have gotten pretty good systems for getting high priority traffic out of the local area (which is what HF was previously for). Amateur volunteers relaying things in the local area are helpful in keeping disaster logistics running smoothly. Radio skills are not a big part of it, for the most part. I'm a teacher and passionate about radio. I don't know how to get my students into radio and make it into a good experience for them. They're way too likely to face hostility, racist political rants, etc. So I haven't pushed on it.
- MandieD 3y ago
  I'd encourage them to focus on the digital modes as a way to test the things they build and learn about propagation. The communities around digital modes also seem to be nicer and more diverse. There are still lots of old guys in these parts of the hobby, but ones open-minded enough at least to learn new things, and I've not had any issues with them despite having a distinctly female first name. WSPR is the best place to start, in my opinion - lots of results for really low capital investment (5W is high power), really lending itself to DIY.
  - mlyle 3y ago
    The one place I've gotten some slight traction is that we have a group of students building a satellite for eventual launch and operations. So they have deployed a satellite ground station, and have been taking line-scan photos of our region via NOAA satellites. Licensing is ultimately going to be important to transmit, etc. WSPR is amazing, but there's a certain "so what"-- I can send a packet over there, too, via the public internet. Radio doesn't make sense to kids anymore: like they really don't get it.
- dghlsakjg 3y ago
  I'm a former HAM. And the "grumpy old-man" majority is what really turned me off of it when I was younger. I occasionally still use SDR to listen in to HF/whatever, and it seems like the "old-man" factor has only gotten worse. Last time I listened to the HF SSTV (it would have been in 2021 or 2022) channels I gave up after getting an anti-Hillary meme. As for emergency preparedness... No. Hams don't really play a role anymore. Satellite texting/Starlink, digital repeaters for agencies, generally available idiot-proof radios are all things that would have to fail. There's a reason that the volunteer SAR team near me just buy off the shelf stuff from Motorola instead of trying to recruit Hams. Even in some sort of failure like that, I would rather have an air band or marine band radio than a Ham radio.
  - mlyle 3y ago
    I think you overstate what I had originally argued. Our local CERT makes big use of amateur emcomm. But it's the non-critical stuff: neighborhood liasions to go out and spot things, or volunteers in a truck to relay supply needs at peripheral stations. It's a parallel line of communications (with a separate set of humans making a judgment of what's important to escalate), which is useful when administrative and decision-making capacity is constrained. And it has different failure modes, which is nice, too. Even little things: visible volunteer patrols by amateur operators for fireworks laws violations just helped my city tamp down the normal dozens of fires to only two and hastened the firefighting response.
    - dghlsakjg 3y ago
      I was just relaying my experience as a former teenage ham. As a counterpoint, I once was involved with a backcountry emergency where, at a certain point, it made sense to have a non licensed person on a radio. We actually had the local grump hop on and tie up the frequency chastising them for using the radio. That felt very in line with the ham community. Sure, Hams can provide utility in an emergency, but Hams also like to overstate just how essential they are in these situations (scroll up for evidence). Volunteer fire patrols are great and all, but an independent radio network for the volunteers is not exactly required, or providing anything a cell phone can’t
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nvy 3y ago
How charming. Email is in my profile if you'd like to discuss this further.