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As a Canadian I am glad that Google is taking this stand. If Canada succeeds in its current implementation of Bill C-18 it will absolutely destroy the revenue f

As a Canadian I am glad that Google is taking this stand. If Canada succeeds in its current implementation of Bill C-18 it will absolutely destroy the revenue for media organizations in Canada rapidly accelerating the decline in journalism here. Not to mention the morales of taxing the free flow of information on the internet. So as a Canadian, THANK YOU GOOGLE!

llm_nerd 3y ago
>If Canada succeeds in its current implementation of Bill C-18 it will absolutely destroy the revenue for media organizations in Canada rapidly accelerating the decline in journalism here. Every media org is behind C-18. Even PostMedia, about as "right wing" as it gets here, is behind C-18. C-18 is complex. I have paid little attention to it as it isn't my field and I honestly don't care that much about it. But your take is quite humorous in the context.
- canadiantim 3y ago
  Every LARGE media organization is behind C-18, because they will get some money from it (not even that much, most of it goes to Rogers, Bell and the CBC; the PBO suggests only $80 million split between newspapers in Canada from the bill, and that's only if Meta and Google don't withdraw from the market which they are currently intent on doing). Almost every Independent media organization is against C-18, because they will receive no benefit whatsoever from the Bill. Instead they receive irreperable harm in having their revenue and traffic sources from Meta and Google shut off, which for an industry already desperately hanging on by a thread is a significant blow and will result in the bankruptcies of most independent media organizations in Canada.
  - llm_nerd 3y ago
    This is some seriously tenuous rationalizations. Your original statement- "it will absolutely destroy the revenue for media organizations in Canada rapidly accelerating the decline in journalism here" And by "media organizations" and "journalism" you are No true scotsman leveraging and actually talking about, I guess, some guy with a YouTube channel? Every local paper is owned by one of the majors. They are the source for the overwhelming bulk of Canadian news actually consumed by the Canadian public. Name a single "independent media" that is your holistic all Canadian media and journalism? The Rebel and its dozens of readers? >If Meta and Google don't withdraw from the market Then people can go to cbc.com, nationalpost.com, ctvnews.com, etc. That people ever relied upon Google or Facebook as an intermediary of news was folly.
- ipaddr 3y ago
  Isn't Postmedia trying to merge or be purchased by Torstar?
  - llm_nerd 3y ago
    How is that remotely relevant? Ignoring that they called it off (after talking about it for something like a week), PostMedia's kneejerk opinion to almost every issue is "pro business / anti-government". Yet PostMedia has repeatedly, openly stated their support for C-18.
dunefox 3y ago
Nice try, Bard!
barbazoo 3y ago
> If Canada succeeds in its current implementation of Bill C-18 it will absolutely destroy the revenue for media organizations in Canada Can you walk me through what you think will happen please?
- jsnell 3y ago
  Any company that's designated as being in scope of the link tax will choose to stop linking to Canadian news media but will continue linking to foreign media. Links from search engines and social media currently produce for billions of page views for Canadian news publishers. Some of those page views will be replaced by people visiting the news site directly. Some won't, as people consume less news or substitute foreign media for Canadian. The loss of those page views will mean a loss of ad impressions thus and ad revenue. In addition any deals these tech companies have already voluntarily made with Canadian news media will be terminated, since the companies have to choose all or nothing. They can't do anything at all with news content from any Canadian news publisher, unless they're willing to pay every news publisher. So there's no point in keeping those ongoing content deals active. I don't know if that'd qualify as "absolutely destruction", but it seems hard to believe there wouldn't be a negative impact.
  - barbazoo 3y ago
    > The loss of those page views will mean a loss of ad impressions thus and ad revenue. I think it's true that Canadian media orgs are generally in favour of this new law, correct me if I'm wrong. Why would they if this would destroy their business model? Or is the revenue from the people that will effectively be excluded not significant enough after all?
jpambrun 3y ago
Canada is a sovereign country. It can't really accept such a behavior from a corporation. I know a lot about C-18, but it is law now. Google will have to comply or the government will likely use it's force to make them.
- canadiantim 3y ago
  Google is complying by removing news. The government is just throwing a tantrum because they didn’t understand the realistic consequences of their law. How in the world will the government use force to make them stay in the news business in Canada? Do you realize how absurd that is and draconian and just terrible?

llm_nerd 3y ago

>If Canada succeeds in its current implementation of Bill C-18 it will absolutely destroy the revenue for media organizations in Canada rapidly accelerating the decline in journalism here. Every media org is behind C-18. Even PostMedia, about as "right wing" as it gets here, is behind C-18. C-18 is complex. I have paid little attention to it as it isn't my field and I honestly don't care that much about it. But your take is quite humorous in the context.

canadiantim 3y ago
Every LARGE media organization is behind C-18, because they will get some money from it (not even that much, most of it goes to Rogers, Bell and the CBC; the PBO suggests only $80 million split between newspapers in Canada from the bill, and that's only if Meta and Google don't withdraw from the market which they are currently intent on doing). Almost every Independent media organization is against C-18, because they will receive no benefit whatsoever from the Bill. Instead they receive irreperable harm in having their revenue and traffic sources from Meta and Google shut off, which for an industry already desperately hanging on by a thread is a significant blow and will result in the bankruptcies of most independent media organizations in Canada.
- llm_nerd 3y ago
  This is some seriously tenuous rationalizations. Your original statement- "it will absolutely destroy the revenue for media organizations in Canada rapidly accelerating the decline in journalism here" And by "media organizations" and "journalism" you are No true scotsman leveraging and actually talking about, I guess, some guy with a YouTube channel? Every local paper is owned by one of the majors. They are the source for the overwhelming bulk of Canadian news actually consumed by the Canadian public. Name a single "independent media" that is your holistic all Canadian media and journalism? The Rebel and its dozens of readers? >If Meta and Google don't withdraw from the market Then people can go to cbc.com, nationalpost.com, ctvnews.com, etc. That people ever relied upon Google or Facebook as an intermediary of news was folly.
ipaddr 3y ago
Isn't Postmedia trying to merge or be purchased by Torstar?
- llm_nerd 3y ago
  How is that remotely relevant? Ignoring that they called it off (after talking about it for something like a week), PostMedia's kneejerk opinion to almost every issue is "pro business / anti-government". Yet PostMedia has repeatedly, openly stated their support for C-18.

dunefox 3y ago

Nice try, Bard!

barbazoo 3y ago

> If Canada succeeds in its current implementation of Bill C-18 it will absolutely destroy the revenue for media organizations in Canada Can you walk me through what you think will happen please?

jsnell 3y ago
Any company that's designated as being in scope of the link tax will choose to stop linking to Canadian news media but will continue linking to foreign media. Links from search engines and social media currently produce for billions of page views for Canadian news publishers. Some of those page views will be replaced by people visiting the news site directly. Some won't, as people consume less news or substitute foreign media for Canadian. The loss of those page views will mean a loss of ad impressions thus and ad revenue. In addition any deals these tech companies have already voluntarily made with Canadian news media will be terminated, since the companies have to choose all or nothing. They can't do anything at all with news content from any Canadian news publisher, unless they're willing to pay every news publisher. So there's no point in keeping those ongoing content deals active. I don't know if that'd qualify as "absolutely destruction", but it seems hard to believe there wouldn't be a negative impact.
- barbazoo 3y ago
  > The loss of those page views will mean a loss of ad impressions thus and ad revenue. I think it's true that Canadian media orgs are generally in favour of this new law, correct me if I'm wrong. Why would they if this would destroy their business model? Or is the revenue from the people that will effectively be excluded not significant enough after all?

jpambrun 3y ago

Canada is a sovereign country. It can't really accept such a behavior from a corporation. I know a lot about C-18, but it is law now. Google will have to comply or the government will likely use it's force to make them.

canadiantim 3y ago
Google is complying by removing news. The government is just throwing a tantrum because they didn’t understand the realistic consequences of their law. How in the world will the government use force to make them stay in the news business in Canada? Do you realize how absurd that is and draconian and just terrible?