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The release note has some nasty casual homophobia. Eurgh. https://github.com/Svxy/The-Simpsons-Hit-and-Run/releases/tag/TSH%26R-PC https://github.com/Svxy/The-

by jfenne 3y ago

The release note has some nasty casual homophobia. Eurgh. https://github.com/Svxy/The-Simpsons-Hit-and-Run/releases/tag/TSH%26R-PC https://github.com/Svxy/The-Simpsons-Hit-and-Run/releases/ta...

skellyclock 3y ago
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- meepmorp 3y ago
  > You mad? holy shit, you're a trollface meme that can type
joiqj 3y ago
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Permik 3y ago
Unfortunately you really can't distinguish if it's actually empowering ironic homophobia of a queer individual or not. Wouldn't take it too seriously, it's the internet after all.
- foldr 3y ago
  I don’t really see any way this could be ironic or empowering. There are bigger problems to worry about, but we may as well recognize this for what it is.
  - JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 3y ago
    >we may as well recognize this for what it is I hate this trend of the internet where we have to agree with anyone who is offended. I don't actually recognize this for what it could be, and my experience and opinion is as valid as others.
    - foldr 3y ago
      Who is the offended person here who you think that you have to agree with? I’m not really following. My post that you’re replying to just said that I don’t think that the comment on GitHub is likely to be an instance of ironic empowering homophobia. If you disagree then I have no particular beef with you on that factual point - I just think you’re wrong.
geraldwhen 3y ago
There was a period in the 90s and 00s when gay meant lame. I’m sure many used it hatefully, but schoolboys were just using play yard lingo. When gay began to mean GAY, people stopped using it to mean “lame”. This poster is probably 30-50 years old and likely meant no harm. There’s an internet meme “fake and gay” which has nothing to do with homophobia but instead refers to the 90s usage.
- foldr 3y ago
  I think everyone is aware of this. However the playground usage is based on homophobia. I can assure you (being 38 myself) that we schoolboys all knew roughly what being gay was and that it was something bad and shameful. I do not want to get overly bent out of shape about some idiot’s casual homophobia on a random corner of the internet, but let’s please not deny that it is casual homophobia. > When gay began to mean GAY, people stopped using it to mean “lame”. This is completely ahistorical. The ‘lame’ meaning came long after the ‘homosexual’ meaning.
  - geraldwhen 3y ago
    I’ll speak for myself then. I had no concept of what homosexuality was when I was 9, but parroted speech I heard at school. By 13, I was aware of the people using “gay” to mean “homosexual” and I began confronting anyone saying it, and stopped saying it myself as an adjective to mean lame. I truly didn’t know. There was no internet, so my only source of culture was media and school.
    - foldr 3y ago
      Sure, some individuals may not have known, but the usage is very obviously rooted in homophobia, and any present day adult should be able to see that. People can make thoughtless mistakes and I don’t think this person is the devil, but the comment is a very clear instance of casual homophobia.
    - jfenne 3y ago
      Yeh, I raised it here in that same spirit of acknowledging and calling it out. I'm in my 30's, very happy that I barely hear this kinda direct homophobia anymore. I've long been unpacking the personal repercussions of `gay === very bad` being deep set in my brain in those formative years.
tinus_hn 3y ago
I say we cancel them. Get the torches and pitchforks!
- foldr 3y ago
  I really dislike this tendency to (implicitly) exaggerate what people are saying when they point out homophobia or other such prejudices. It kills any possibility of a sensible conversation. No-one in this thread has called for anyone to be ‘canceled’.
  - tinus_hn 3y ago
    I really dislike framing people from different eras as homophobes. Back when this was written this was seen as just a joke, no harm intended, no homophobia involved whatsoever.
    - foldr 3y ago
      The relevant comment is on the linked GitHub page and was written recently (June 1 2023), not in a different era. Perhaps that misconception explains your comment. Also, no-one in this thread has called anyone a homophobe, but only pointed out that the comment is an instance of casual homophobia. It seems that you’d like to have a particular argument with some kind of caricature of a cancel culture warrior, but I’m afraid no-one present actually meets that description!
    - Capricorn2481 3y ago
      We actually live in an era where homophobia is becoming even more socially acceptable then the 2000s, so this is a weird hill for you to die on.
      - JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 3y ago
        It's difficult to understand with all the yearly gay prides, weddings recognized by the governments, and ability to adopt children. I recognize that there are still improvements, but it's way more accepted than in the 90s and before.

by jfenne 3y ago

The release note has some nasty casual homophobia. Eurgh. https://github.com/Svxy/The-Simpsons-Hit-and-Run/releases/tag/TSH%26R-PC https://github.com/Svxy/The-Simpsons-Hit-and-Run/releases/ta...

skellyclock 3y ago

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meepmorp 3y ago
> You mad? holy shit, you're a trollface meme that can type

joiqj 3y ago

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Permik 3y ago

Unfortunately you really can't distinguish if it's actually empowering ironic homophobia of a queer individual or not. Wouldn't take it too seriously, it's the internet after all.

foldr 3y ago
I don’t really see any way this could be ironic or empowering. There are bigger problems to worry about, but we may as well recognize this for what it is.
- JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 3y ago
  >we may as well recognize this for what it is I hate this trend of the internet where we have to agree with anyone who is offended. I don't actually recognize this for what it could be, and my experience and opinion is as valid as others.
  - foldr 3y ago
    Who is the offended person here who you think that you have to agree with? I’m not really following. My post that you’re replying to just said that I don’t think that the comment on GitHub is likely to be an instance of ironic empowering homophobia. If you disagree then I have no particular beef with you on that factual point - I just think you’re wrong.

geraldwhen 3y ago

There was a period in the 90s and 00s when gay meant lame. I’m sure many used it hatefully, but schoolboys were just using play yard lingo. When gay began to mean GAY, people stopped using it to mean “lame”. This poster is probably 30-50 years old and likely meant no harm. There’s an internet meme “fake and gay” which has nothing to do with homophobia but instead refers to the 90s usage.

foldr 3y ago
I think everyone is aware of this. However the playground usage is based on homophobia. I can assure you (being 38 myself) that we schoolboys all knew roughly what being gay was and that it was something bad and shameful. I do not want to get overly bent out of shape about some idiot’s casual homophobia on a random corner of the internet, but let’s please not deny that it is casual homophobia. > When gay began to mean GAY, people stopped using it to mean “lame”. This is completely ahistorical. The ‘lame’ meaning came long after the ‘homosexual’ meaning.
- geraldwhen 3y ago
  I’ll speak for myself then. I had no concept of what homosexuality was when I was 9, but parroted speech I heard at school. By 13, I was aware of the people using “gay” to mean “homosexual” and I began confronting anyone saying it, and stopped saying it myself as an adjective to mean lame. I truly didn’t know. There was no internet, so my only source of culture was media and school.
  - foldr 3y ago
    Sure, some individuals may not have known, but the usage is very obviously rooted in homophobia, and any present day adult should be able to see that. People can make thoughtless mistakes and I don’t think this person is the devil, but the comment is a very clear instance of casual homophobia.
  - jfenne 3y ago
    Yeh, I raised it here in that same spirit of acknowledging and calling it out. I'm in my 30's, very happy that I barely hear this kinda direct homophobia anymore. I've long been unpacking the personal repercussions of `gay === very bad` being deep set in my brain in those formative years.

tinus_hn 3y ago

I say we cancel them. Get the torches and pitchforks!

foldr 3y ago
I really dislike this tendency to (implicitly) exaggerate what people are saying when they point out homophobia or other such prejudices. It kills any possibility of a sensible conversation. No-one in this thread has called for anyone to be ‘canceled’.
- tinus_hn 3y ago
  I really dislike framing people from different eras as homophobes. Back when this was written this was seen as just a joke, no harm intended, no homophobia involved whatsoever.
  - foldr 3y ago
    The relevant comment is on the linked GitHub page and was written recently (June 1 2023), not in a different era. Perhaps that misconception explains your comment. Also, no-one in this thread has called anyone a homophobe, but only pointed out that the comment is an instance of casual homophobia. It seems that you’d like to have a particular argument with some kind of caricature of a cancel culture warrior, but I’m afraid no-one present actually meets that description!
  - Capricorn2481 3y ago
    We actually live in an era where homophobia is becoming even more socially acceptable then the 2000s, so this is a weird hill for you to die on.
    - JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 3y ago
      It's difficult to understand with all the yearly gay prides, weddings recognized by the governments, and ability to adopt children. I recognize that there are still improvements, but it's way more accepted than in the 90s and before.