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I don't see why people think this is the issue it is: the community, at large, will refuse to federate with Threads, and then anything that Meta steals is just

I don't see why people think this is the issue it is: the community, at large, will refuse to federate with Threads, and then anything that Meta steals is just a simple DMCA away. And guess what happens when Meta refuses those DMCAs? You go to the networks they peer with. You don't screw with tier 1 transit providers, not even Facebook has some magical power here. This isn't, and was never, about privacy. It is 100% about Meta stealing data and displaying it so they can pretend people are using their product, so it looks active, and then they can tell their shareholders it was a successful launch. Nobody in the Fediverse wants to help Zuck profit from people's hard work that they didn't donate to him (ie, post on Facegram and thus license it to him). The flip side of this is also, how will they moderate data that isn't theirs? They will have to unfederate from certain servers and users, thus solving the problem.... and if you've seen the fediverse, its 20% trans catgirls who code in rust, are part of a polycule, wear programmers socks, and have spicy opinions about niche Linux distros, all of which are persona non-grata on the Instabook platform. The catgirls are going to save us from Zuck slathering the Internet in Sweet Baby Rays. This wasn't the future I was expecting.

jayd16 3y ago
I think you're right that DMCA will be effective but my guess is that meta will actually be able to federate just fine. As for moderation, they're already the best at it. They can simply allow or block federated content as they choose, just as easily as their own content.
- DiabloD3 3y ago
  But the content doesn't cease to exist... its just going to tell people "hey, join this better non-Meta branded Fedverse server, and look at all the banned content you want! And now Meta cant ban you for having opinions about things!" They have done the opposite of a moat... they built a bridge across the moat that is around the prison island everyone is trapped in.
  - jayd16 3y ago
    It's like suggesting gmail would fail because they have spam filters. People actually want moderation. As long as it's mostly good or at least consistent, I expect Meta to find success. I also expect a wide variety of more lax/niche aggregators to also find success. Meta's moat will be that they will be the largest home domain. They'll have the most user data and they'll have a secured user base even if the fediverse collapses.

jayd16 3y ago

I think you're right that DMCA will be effective but my guess is that meta will actually be able to federate just fine. As for moderation, they're already the best at it. They can simply allow or block federated content as they choose, just as easily as their own content.

DiabloD3 3y ago
But the content doesn't cease to exist... its just going to tell people "hey, join this better non-Meta branded Fedverse server, and look at all the banned content you want! And now Meta cant ban you for having opinions about things!" They have done the opposite of a moat... they built a bridge across the moat that is around the prison island everyone is trapped in.
- jayd16 3y ago
  It's like suggesting gmail would fail because they have spam filters. People actually want moderation. As long as it's mostly good or at least consistent, I expect Meta to find success. I also expect a wide variety of more lax/niche aggregators to also find success. Meta's moat will be that they will be the largest home domain. They'll have the most user data and they'll have a secured user base even if the fediverse collapses.