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Every country's internet is restricted by their own government. Its no conspiracy theory that there are things you can't discuss without going to a secret priso

Every country's internet is restricted by their own government. Its no conspiracy theory that there are things you can't discuss without going to a secret prison in every country.

mepian 3y ago
Can't have a thread about Russia without some whataboutism, just like old (USSR) times.
- guessbest 3y ago
  We own the internet? This is about Russia controlling their internet just like we still control the world's internet. I wasn't around for the USSR, so I'm not sure what reference is even supposed to be since it is really a strawman argument. I'm not even from Russia and it is odd to me how much criticism they get from the USA. I should be able to express a voice in that.
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VK538FY 3y ago
In Russia there are rules about what can't be published during the SMO. But the subject of a 'Russian Internet' (or a Chinese one) has less to do with censorship than with combatting the power of western FANGs (market force and ability to form public opinion) and allowing domestic solutions to emerge. I'll not defend censorship but if one reformulates the subject as one of favouring local content, it is perhaps clearer to certain western audiences. Maybe not in Silicon Valley but very much so where I live.
- donottellanyone 3y ago
  As a person who accepts Russia's position on the war (that it is a consequence of an undeclared war US~NATO conducts against Russia), I cannot ever say this on any western forum without being immediately banned. There is something wrong with your notion of "freedom of speech". And before you start again with " try to say x in Russia", I must say, from experience, that the freedom of speech that Russians have on their telegram channels is unthinkable on your social media.
  - VK538FY 3y ago
    I can only presume that you are replying to the grandparent because I did not define my notion of 'freedom of speech' but provided an explanation of some very clear objectives on a strategic level that I've gathered from Russian and Chinese sources. Maybe my comment wasn't clear: I said, yes, some restrictions had been introduced. But that is only a small detail, dictated by the SMO. Every time that western media trots out the tired subject of Russian censorship, they miss the real story. But back to that small detail. If you don't believe that there are some speech restrictions because of the SMO, you only need to listen to Russian commentators who often self censor and also explain why. And if you'd like a source, here is a law that was passed by the Duma. https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/1070431-7 https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/1070431-7 I'm making no judgment. BTW you need a Russian VPN to read it otherwise it may not load. Western media talk about it but don't provide a link.
- guessbest 3y ago
  In the USA there are rules about what can't be published during everyday life. Most of the rules are unpublished, but all can result of loss of banking and career prospects as well as current job. Denying that exists defends censorship.
  - VK538FY 3y ago
    Yeah so? The problem is that there are two subjects here. 1. Censorship in Russia. (I argue that there is some. I didn't discuss the USA where I agree, there is some also.) 2. The Russian Internet and why it has less to do with censorship than with economic and cultural war. (You lot can downvote me as much as you want but it's not just a Russian problem, it's the rest of the world vs the USA and it's real.)
    - guessbest 3y ago
      Its impossible for me to downvote you, so I don't know where you got the idea that I was doing so. There is no button for me in my client window. In fact, I can't downvote anyone.
      - VK538FY 3y ago
        Okay sorry, someone did. I was a bit annoyed because I was just trying to add a relevant consideration that no one had mentioned yet.

Every country's internet is restricted by their own government. Its no conspiracy theory that there are things you can't discuss without going to a secret prison in every country.

mepian 3y ago

Can't have a thread about Russia without some whataboutism, just like old (USSR) times.

guessbest 3y ago
We own the internet? This is about Russia controlling their internet just like we still control the world's internet. I wasn't around for the USSR, so I'm not sure what reference is even supposed to be since it is really a strawman argument. I'm not even from Russia and it is odd to me how much criticism they get from the USA. I should be able to express a voice in that.
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VK538FY 3y ago

In Russia there are rules about what can't be published during the SMO. But the subject of a 'Russian Internet' (or a Chinese one) has less to do with censorship than with combatting the power of western FANGs (market force and ability to form public opinion) and allowing domestic solutions to emerge. I'll not defend censorship but if one reformulates the subject as one of favouring local content, it is perhaps clearer to certain western audiences. Maybe not in Silicon Valley but very much so where I live.

donottellanyone 3y ago
As a person who accepts Russia's position on the war (that it is a consequence of an undeclared war US~NATO conducts against Russia), I cannot ever say this on any western forum without being immediately banned. There is something wrong with your notion of "freedom of speech". And before you start again with " try to say x in Russia", I must say, from experience, that the freedom of speech that Russians have on their telegram channels is unthinkable on your social media.
- VK538FY 3y ago
  I can only presume that you are replying to the grandparent because I did not define my notion of 'freedom of speech' but provided an explanation of some very clear objectives on a strategic level that I've gathered from Russian and Chinese sources. Maybe my comment wasn't clear: I said, yes, some restrictions had been introduced. But that is only a small detail, dictated by the SMO. Every time that western media trots out the tired subject of Russian censorship, they miss the real story. But back to that small detail. If you don't believe that there are some speech restrictions because of the SMO, you only need to listen to Russian commentators who often self censor and also explain why. And if you'd like a source, here is a law that was passed by the Duma. https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/1070431-7 https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/1070431-7 I'm making no judgment. BTW you need a Russian VPN to read it otherwise it may not load. Western media talk about it but don't provide a link.
guessbest 3y ago
In the USA there are rules about what can't be published during everyday life. Most of the rules are unpublished, but all can result of loss of banking and career prospects as well as current job. Denying that exists defends censorship.
- VK538FY 3y ago
  Yeah so? The problem is that there are two subjects here. 1. Censorship in Russia. (I argue that there is some. I didn't discuss the USA where I agree, there is some also.) 2. The Russian Internet and why it has less to do with censorship than with economic and cultural war. (You lot can downvote me as much as you want but it's not just a Russian problem, it's the rest of the world vs the USA and it's real.)
  - guessbest 3y ago
    Its impossible for me to downvote you, so I don't know where you got the idea that I was doing so. There is no button for me in my client window. In fact, I can't downvote anyone.
    - VK538FY 3y ago
      Okay sorry, someone did. I was a bit annoyed because I was just trying to add a relevant consideration that no one had mentioned yet.