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Then make an example and disband the company and all shareholders lose all equity. Have people realize they will lose money if they don't pay attention to detai

Then make an example and disband the company and all shareholders lose all equity. Have people realize they will lose money if they don't pay attention to details.

notahacker 3y ago
Disbanding a company for including a Google Analytics tracker on their website, causing $0 worth of losses and damages seems a little excessive.
- Eisenstein 3y ago
  So what is the line, then? Inadvertently sucking up people's tax return info and sending to who knows where because they get a few incentives for it is fine? What about a VoIP company sending call metadata? Or a burglar alarm company sending when you are home or not? At what point can we say 'make your money decently and don't sell customer data for a few pennies or you get made an example of'?
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  It's far too little. The executives should be given the death penalty for this. They and the rest of the surveillance capitalists have waged war against society and deserve guillotines for it. We need to put a firm stop to this madness before the surveillance industry locks us all into a global panopticon. The stakes couldn't be higher.
boeingUH60 3y ago
All employees should lose their jobs because an incompetent engineer made a mistake? What’s with some people and irrational mob justice? Does it make them feel good or what…
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
  > because an incompetent engineer made a mistake Here’s my take which happens to agree with the parent commenter: the incompetent executive is responsible for the actions of this engineer and (in this hypothetical) the incompetent executive allowed their business to be destroyed by something which was easily avoidable.
- maxerickson 3y ago
  An orderly revocation of a corporate charter isn't mob justice. People calling for companies to be dissolved are pretty likely to be calling for an orderly process (if they weren't interested in an orderly process they'd likely be talking about using violence on the executives or shareholders or whatever).
HWR_14 3y ago
Alternatively, maybe this could be the excuse for the IRS to walk away from that horrible deal they made with the tax prep companies. That's why they don't just automate the forms, fill them out for me, and send me the damn draft to approve or dispute. Like in other countries. It's not like I have secret income the IRS isn't aware of. And for people who do have secret income, they'll either voluntarily report it or won't.
sigstoat 3y ago
> Then make an example and disband the company and all shareholders lose all equity. Have people realize they will lose money if they don't pay attention to details. do you not make mistakes, or do you not work with anything that matters? the US criminal justice system, which isn't very popular, seems to be more tolerant to human error than you.
- Eisenstein 3y ago
  At some point we have to acknowledge that data is important and that it is easy to collect and hard to secure. Do it right or don't collect it. The 'we have been hacked' or 'we messed up' and now all your data is somewhere else is not OK. If we made their existence dependent on securing this data, don't you think they would start to take it seriously?

Then make an example and disband the company and all shareholders lose all equity. Have people realize they will lose money if they don't pay attention to details.

notahacker 3y ago

Disbanding a company for including a Google Analytics tracker on their website, causing $0 worth of losses and damages seems a little excessive.

Eisenstein 3y ago
So what is the line, then? Inadvertently sucking up people's tax return info and sending to who knows where because they get a few incentives for it is fine? What about a VoIP company sending call metadata? Or a burglar alarm company sending when you are home or not? At what point can we say 'make your money decently and don't sell customer data for a few pennies or you get made an example of'?
mcpackieh 3y ago
It's far too little. The executives should be given the death penalty for this. They and the rest of the surveillance capitalists have waged war against society and deserve guillotines for it. We need to put a firm stop to this madness before the surveillance industry locks us all into a global panopticon. The stakes couldn't be higher.

boeingUH60 3y ago

All employees should lose their jobs because an incompetent engineer made a mistake? What’s with some people and irrational mob justice? Does it make them feel good or what…

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
> because an incompetent engineer made a mistake Here’s my take which happens to agree with the parent commenter: the incompetent executive is responsible for the actions of this engineer and (in this hypothetical) the incompetent executive allowed their business to be destroyed by something which was easily avoidable.
maxerickson 3y ago
An orderly revocation of a corporate charter isn't mob justice. People calling for companies to be dissolved are pretty likely to be calling for an orderly process (if they weren't interested in an orderly process they'd likely be talking about using violence on the executives or shareholders or whatever).

HWR_14 3y ago

Alternatively, maybe this could be the excuse for the IRS to walk away from that horrible deal they made with the tax prep companies. That's why they don't just automate the forms, fill them out for me, and send me the damn draft to approve or dispute. Like in other countries. It's not like I have secret income the IRS isn't aware of. And for people who do have secret income, they'll either voluntarily report it or won't.

sigstoat 3y ago

> Then make an example and disband the company and all shareholders lose all equity. Have people realize they will lose money if they don't pay attention to details. do you not make mistakes, or do you not work with anything that matters? the US criminal justice system, which isn't very popular, seems to be more tolerant to human error than you.

Eisenstein 3y ago
At some point we have to acknowledge that data is important and that it is easy to collect and hard to secure. Do it right or don't collect it. The 'we have been hacked' or 'we messed up' and now all your data is somewhere else is not OK. If we made their existence dependent on securing this data, don't you think they would start to take it seriously?