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Nobody will go to jail. Fine will be way less than profits. Everything will work out for them. Maybe some low level employees will get fired.

ChatGTP 3y ago
Billions is a joke when they're paid trillions. These companies are out of control
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  Which ones are paid trillions?
cscurmudgeon 3y ago
I mean the TikTok CEO under oath lied no US data is saved in China, meanwhile https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandralevine/2023/06/21/tiktok-confirms-data-china-bytedance-security-cfius/?sh=4315d90c3270 https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandralevine/2023/06/21/tikt...
- throw9away6 3y ago
  Yeah but you can’t send him to jail he’s basically a foreign diplomat
  - thumbuddy 3y ago
    Why would we send him to jail anyways? Google, Facebook, and thousands of other companies are doing the exact same thing right now. Jesse some guy tried to overthrow the US government and he isn't in jail. Once you get enough $ meaningful punishment is mostly out of the question here...
    - jraby3 3y ago
      I don’t think Facebook or google has lied to the US government about sending US citizen data to China.
    - solveit 3y ago
      >Jesse some guy tried to overthrow the US government and he isn't in jail. Once you get enough $ meaningful punishment is mostly out of the question here... If you're talking about Trump, he's possibly the worst example you could pick for your case, as his treatment has nothing to do with his wealth and everything to do with the fact that he is the previous President...
      - thumbuddy 3y ago
        I respect your opinion. But personally feel that his wealth and varied enterprises are exactly how he became president in the first place. The inordinate amount of lies, and propaganda that composed his campaign were treated as valid points of view despite being objectively wrong because there is a culture of wealth worshipping in the US. "If I give the rich guy my vote he will make me prosperous too!" Or "he is wealthy because God has blessed him"(a surprisingly common well documented evangelical belief). But if ya disagree with that, that's fine. Can take a quick Google search and find hundreds of instances were wealthy people committed serious crimes and received no substantial punishment for doing so compared to their less influential counterparts. I could list some, but I trust you can do that for yourself.
    - ThunderSizzle 3y ago
      Yeah, that guy is currently sitting pretty in the white house. The machine he works for rigged the election, on multiple levels, and started a proxy war over what appears to a place of great interest of corrupt politicians. Got to protect The Big Guy's 10% cut.
      - piva00 3y ago
        > Yeah, that guy is currently sitting pretty in the white house. > and started a proxy war over what appears to a place of great interest of corrupt politicians Putin does not sit in the White House in Moscow, that's where Russia's Prime Minister sits :)
        ThunderSizzle 3y ago
        Who's the prison guard that opened the cell for him to get out? Who's the prison guard whose watching from a sniper tower while the prisoner rampages? Both of those are the American President. The war in Ukraine was fully preventable, and could probably even be stopped immediately, if the President wanted to do so. But that would require a living person in the Office, and the military-industrial complex not desiring another 20 year proxy war.
        piva00 3y ago
        Write in full sentences and paragraphs explaining your point, not some aloof metaphorical rhetorical questions leading into platitudes. I don't understand what you are saying, there's no explanation of how the war was fully preventable, just a statement as if that was a shared fact between you and me (it isn't). No explanation of how to stop this war without Russia annexing a huge chunk of another sovereign country. No explanation on how a Russian invasion is actually a proxy war created by whatever you are saying. I feel dumber by reading this...
      - mcpackieh 3y ago
        Usually I can understand the basis or motivation behind political gripes even if I don't agree with them or the values that motivate the claim. But in the case of Biden starting a proxy war, you're totally fucking nuts. That war started in 2014, two presidencies before Biden. Not to mention Biden oversaw the War with Afghanistan actually end while the previous two presidents blew hot air about ending it but never actually had the balls to commit. Bush the Younger: Started two wars, threatened at least two more, and ended none. Obama: Ended one of those wars and continued the other. Had a third start under his watch. Trump: Didn't start any wars, and didn't end any either. Biden: Ended the other Bush war, and saw that third war continue.
  - midoridensha 3y ago
    Foreign CEOs are not diplomats. They can be jailed just like anyone else, assuming they enter your sovereign territory.
    - klyrs 3y ago
      When Meng Wanzhou was arrested in Canada, it caused a diplomatic crisis. While you're right de jure, the situation is quite different de facto.
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    > basically If he doesn't actually have diplomatic papers, then he's fair game. And if he does, he can still be kicked out of the country at the very least.
    - throw9away6 3y ago
      You can also arrest a diplomat but either way you cause an international crisis
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roadbuster 3y ago
> Fine will be way less than profits What profits were derived from the "sharing" of "millions of taxpayers' data?" I had to do a technical audit of this issue to find out if my company had also been placed at risk. What happened is this: 1. Facebook asks advertisers to place some javascript on their website to help with general measurements (i.e.: whether viewing an ad on a Facebook property ultimately led to a purchase) 2. This javascript may also gather user interactions on the website so an advertiser can see what users engage with, what might be relevant to ad performance measurement, etc 3. These stupid tax prep companies placed the script on pages where users might view, interact with, or submit very private information 4. When users clicked around, tracking data was sent to FB 5. A security/privacy journalist spotted this and said, "gotcha." Ad Tech companies don't want your SSN, and they really don't know to know if you purchased Plan B. But when tax prep sites and online pharmacies place a tracking script on all their webpages, everyone ends up with egg on their face. There were no profits here. The journalist's privacy investigation should be appreciated and celebrated, but Elizabeth Warren is just raising a boogeyman so she can keep sticking a knife into the hearts of these large, corporate entities. Election season is coming up, after all.
- throw9away6 3y ago
  Ha well a nice strong fine then to discourage this stupid behavior of adding tracking scripts from 3rd party fines. I’d still like to see the executive that approved this spend 1 night in jail to prove a point that stupid has personal consequences
  - roadbuster 3y ago
    > a nice strong fine Who receives the fine? * The Tax Prep companies? That would be fair: they are obligated to handle private user data in a responsible manner * The ad tech companies? That would not be fair: they didn't want the data, didn't know it was being sent, and almost assuredly didn't use it for any kind of ad serving, measurement, or optimization.
    - Eisenstein 3y ago
lastofthemojito 3y ago
I suspect you're right. But there's still that little part of me hoping that maybe some big fines mixed with lessened revenues if the IRS releases it's own tax-prep software[0] could actually put some of these clowns out of business. 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35950836 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35950836

ChatGTP 3y ago

Billions is a joke when they're paid trillions. These companies are out of control

robertlagrant 3y ago
Which ones are paid trillions?

cscurmudgeon 3y ago

I mean the TikTok CEO under oath lied no US data is saved in China, meanwhile https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandralevine/2023/06/21/tiktok-confirms-data-china-bytedance-security-cfius/?sh=4315d90c3270 https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandralevine/2023/06/21/tikt...

throw9away6 3y ago
Yeah but you can’t send him to jail he’s basically a foreign diplomat
- thumbuddy 3y ago
  Why would we send him to jail anyways? Google, Facebook, and thousands of other companies are doing the exact same thing right now. Jesse some guy tried to overthrow the US government and he isn't in jail. Once you get enough $ meaningful punishment is mostly out of the question here...
  - jraby3 3y ago
    I don’t think Facebook or google has lied to the US government about sending US citizen data to China.
  - solveit 3y ago
    >Jesse some guy tried to overthrow the US government and he isn't in jail. Once you get enough $ meaningful punishment is mostly out of the question here... If you're talking about Trump, he's possibly the worst example you could pick for your case, as his treatment has nothing to do with his wealth and everything to do with the fact that he is the previous President...
    - thumbuddy 3y ago
      I respect your opinion. But personally feel that his wealth and varied enterprises are exactly how he became president in the first place. The inordinate amount of lies, and propaganda that composed his campaign were treated as valid points of view despite being objectively wrong because there is a culture of wealth worshipping in the US. "If I give the rich guy my vote he will make me prosperous too!" Or "he is wealthy because God has blessed him"(a surprisingly common well documented evangelical belief). But if ya disagree with that, that's fine. Can take a quick Google search and find hundreds of instances were wealthy people committed serious crimes and received no substantial punishment for doing so compared to their less influential counterparts. I could list some, but I trust you can do that for yourself.
  - ThunderSizzle 3y ago
    Yeah, that guy is currently sitting pretty in the white house. The machine he works for rigged the election, on multiple levels, and started a proxy war over what appears to a place of great interest of corrupt politicians. Got to protect The Big Guy's 10% cut.
    - piva00 3y ago
      > Yeah, that guy is currently sitting pretty in the white house. > and started a proxy war over what appears to a place of great interest of corrupt politicians Putin does not sit in the White House in Moscow, that's where Russia's Prime Minister sits :)
      - ThunderSizzle 3y ago
        Who's the prison guard that opened the cell for him to get out? Who's the prison guard whose watching from a sniper tower while the prisoner rampages? Both of those are the American President. The war in Ukraine was fully preventable, and could probably even be stopped immediately, if the President wanted to do so. But that would require a living person in the Office, and the military-industrial complex not desiring another 20 year proxy war.
        piva00 3y ago
        Write in full sentences and paragraphs explaining your point, not some aloof metaphorical rhetorical questions leading into platitudes. I don't understand what you are saying, there's no explanation of how the war was fully preventable, just a statement as if that was a shared fact between you and me (it isn't). No explanation of how to stop this war without Russia annexing a huge chunk of another sovereign country. No explanation on how a Russian invasion is actually a proxy war created by whatever you are saying. I feel dumber by reading this...
    - mcpackieh 3y ago
      Usually I can understand the basis or motivation behind political gripes even if I don't agree with them or the values that motivate the claim. But in the case of Biden starting a proxy war, you're totally fucking nuts. That war started in 2014, two presidencies before Biden. Not to mention Biden oversaw the War with Afghanistan actually end while the previous two presidents blew hot air about ending it but never actually had the balls to commit. Bush the Younger: Started two wars, threatened at least two more, and ended none. Obama: Ended one of those wars and continued the other. Had a third start under his watch. Trump: Didn't start any wars, and didn't end any either. Biden: Ended the other Bush war, and saw that third war continue.
- midoridensha 3y ago
  Foreign CEOs are not diplomats. They can be jailed just like anyone else, assuming they enter your sovereign territory.
  - klyrs 3y ago
    When Meng Wanzhou was arrested in Canada, it caused a diplomatic crisis. While you're right de jure, the situation is quite different de facto.
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  > basically If he doesn't actually have diplomatic papers, then he's fair game. And if he does, he can still be kicked out of the country at the very least.
  - throw9away6 3y ago
    You can also arrest a diplomat but either way you cause an international crisis
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roadbuster 3y ago

> Fine will be way less than profits What profits were derived from the "sharing" of "millions of taxpayers' data?" I had to do a technical audit of this issue to find out if my company had also been placed at risk. What happened is this: 1. Facebook asks advertisers to place some javascript on their website to help with general measurements (i.e.: whether viewing an ad on a Facebook property ultimately led to a purchase) 2. This javascript may also gather user interactions on the website so an advertiser can see what users engage with, what might be relevant to ad performance measurement, etc 3. These stupid tax prep companies placed the script on pages where users might view, interact with, or submit very private information 4. When users clicked around, tracking data was sent to FB 5. A security/privacy journalist spotted this and said, "gotcha." Ad Tech companies don't want your SSN, and they really don't know to know if you purchased Plan B. But when tax prep sites and online pharmacies place a tracking script on all their webpages, everyone ends up with egg on their face. There were no profits here. The journalist's privacy investigation should be appreciated and celebrated, but Elizabeth Warren is just raising a boogeyman so she can keep sticking a knife into the hearts of these large, corporate entities. Election season is coming up, after all.

throw9away6 3y ago
Ha well a nice strong fine then to discourage this stupid behavior of adding tracking scripts from 3rd party fines. I’d still like to see the executive that approved this spend 1 night in jail to prove a point that stupid has personal consequences
- roadbuster 3y ago
  > a nice strong fine Who receives the fine? * The Tax Prep companies? That would be fair: they are obligated to handle private user data in a responsible manner * The ad tech companies? That would not be fair: they didn't want the data, didn't know it was being sent, and almost assuredly didn't use it for any kind of ad serving, measurement, or optimization.
  - Eisenstein 3y ago

lastofthemojito 3y ago

I suspect you're right. But there's still that little part of me hoping that maybe some big fines mixed with lessened revenues if the IRS releases it's own tax-prep software[0] could actually put some of these clowns out of business. 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35950836 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35950836