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It's not someone feeling a certain way. You are behaving in the manner described. It isn't a fear of negotiating. It's the desire to not have to do so. I don't

It's not someone feeling a certain way. You are behaving in the manner described. It isn't a fear of negotiating. It's the desire to not have to do so. I don't want to deal with the shenanigans. I have money, they have what I wish to buy: why should I buy from them when they turn it into a game. It could be simple but it is not.

listenallyall 3y ago
> It's the desire to not have to do so. OK then, simply walk into a dealership and announce, "I wish to purchase this car (point to it) at full MSRP, exactly what is on the sticker, no discount -- it is my desire not to negotiate." Except for rare cases of oversubscribed cars that are waitlist-only, just about any car dealer will be happy to serve you. > It could be simple but it is not. No not really, buying a car is rather complex because it is, by definition, a complex transaction. Are you paying cash upfront with no financing? If so, you're in the minority. Even coming to the dealership with financing already arranged through a third party (bank, credit union) is relatively rare. What level of protection do you want? Some people are OK with the factory warranty and nothing else, other people want more peace of mind and are willing to pay for it. The car will require servicing -- oil changes, tune-ups, belt replacements, etc -- again, some people are fine paying per appointment, others want to just pay one price and have no further financial obligation. When the car is in the shop, will you need a loaner car, a ride home? Will you require next-day appointments? Some people want those things to be guaranteed, others don't want them at all, unless they are free. (and we haven't even discussed leasing) Buying a mobile phone in 2023 is not simple or straightforward, even when you know the exact model you want. How much storage? Do you want a protection plan? Screen protection only, extended warranty, spills and drops also? How about a case? Don't forget a screen protector! And that's if you're purchasing a phone straight up. Phone + plan is crazy complicated -- do you want auto-upgrade after 2 years? 3 years? Pay for the phone upfront or monthly? One line or family? Hotspot allowed? All of this for a $1000 purchase. Now extrapolate to a $40,000 purchase expected to last 5-7 years, a product that requires the owner to keep up with maintenance schedules, that accumulates all kinds of dirt, rocks, gunk, inside and out... you get the idea.

listenallyall 3y ago

> It's the desire to not have to do so. OK then, simply walk into a dealership and announce, "I wish to purchase this car (point to it) at full MSRP, exactly what is on the sticker, no discount -- it is my desire not to negotiate." Except for rare cases of oversubscribed cars that are waitlist-only, just about any car dealer will be happy to serve you. > It could be simple but it is not. No not really, buying a car is rather complex because it is, by definition, a complex transaction. Are you paying cash upfront with no financing? If so, you're in the minority. Even coming to the dealership with financing already arranged through a third party (bank, credit union) is relatively rare. What level of protection do you want? Some people are OK with the factory warranty and nothing else, other people want more peace of mind and are willing to pay for it. The car will require servicing -- oil changes, tune-ups, belt replacements, etc -- again, some people are fine paying per appointment, others want to just pay one price and have no further financial obligation. When the car is in the shop, will you need a loaner car, a ride home? Will you require next-day appointments? Some people want those things to be guaranteed, others don't want them at all, unless they are free. (and we haven't even discussed leasing) Buying a mobile phone in 2023 is not simple or straightforward, even when you know the exact model you want. How much storage? Do you want a protection plan? Screen protection only, extended warranty, spills and drops also? How about a case? Don't forget a screen protector! And that's if you're purchasing a phone straight up. Phone + plan is crazy complicated -- do you want auto-upgrade after 2 years? 3 years? Pay for the phone upfront or monthly? One line or family? Hotspot allowed? All of this for a $1000 purchase. Now extrapolate to a $40,000 purchase expected to last 5-7 years, a product that requires the owner to keep up with maintenance schedules, that accumulates all kinds of dirt, rocks, gunk, inside and out... you get the idea.