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They replaced some meetings with async written communication and decision making. What is that? It sounds a lot like sending emails. I'm not sure that having to

by tssva 3y ago

They replaced some meetings with async written communication and decision making. What is that? It sounds a lot like sending emails. I'm not sure that having to follow and respond to email chains or async communication chains on whatever medium was chosen is inherently more cost effective or less intrusive to creators than meetings. The only measurement mentioned was a reduction in the number of meeting, so I'm not sure they really do either.

RhodesianHunter 3y ago
> I'm not sure that having to follow and respond to email chains or async communication chains on whatever medium was chosen is inherently more cost effective or less intrusive to creators than meetings. Async is 100% more efficient and cost effective. You can skim/ignore the content that is irrelevant to you. You can set aside the time that is most efficient for you to work through it. No one has to slice their day according to what is least inconvenient for the group at large.
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- tssva 3y ago
  > Async is 100% more efficient and cost effective. You can skim/ignore the content that is irrelevant to you. You can set aside the time that is most efficient for you to work through it. No one has to slice their day according to what is least inconvenient for the group at large. I find it hard to believe that optimizing for the individual vs the group is obviously 100% more efficient and cost effective when what really matters is the overall results of the group.
  - RhodesianHunter 3y ago
    The overall results of the group are just the sum of results of the individuals. The more efficient the individuals are, the better the results of the group. And that's not even getting in to things like individuals' happiness and the results of turnover.
    - tssva 3y ago
      > The overall results of the group are just the sum of results of the individuals. The overall result of the group is not just a straight sum of the results of the individuals.
esafak 3y ago
With async media you empower recipients with managing their own time. Now they can reduce distractions, work when they want, and respond when they want. It is clear to me that this leads to better work and I have not seen anyone dispute this. The question is whether the activity that used to take place in meetings suffers more than the actual work improves. I doubt it. Most meetings are inefficient; not all participants are needed all of the time. I would default to no meeting and schedule one if there is a consensus that it would be better.
- tssva 3y ago
  > It is clear to me that this leads to better work and I have not seen anyone dispute this. I dispute it. There now you know someone that disputes it, so show me some evidence I'm wrong.
  - esafak 3y ago
    Productivity went up sharply in the pandemic, for starters: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/OPHNFB https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/OPHNFB It's axiomatic that people can work more efficiently when they have fewer interruptions and more power over their schedules. There are many studies on this. One by Gloria Mark et al. found that it took around 25 minutes for individuals to regain their focus after an interruption or context switch. http://blog.idonethis.com/distractions-at-work http://blog.idonethis.com/distractions-at-work
    - tssva 3y ago
      I don't have any evidence but neither do you. Then again I'm not the one that stated something was clear and undisputed when really it is just an opinion. I'm not sure how increased productivity during the pandemic correlates to measuring the impacted of increased async communications vs meetings. I had a whole lot of meetings while working remote. They just occured via Teams, Zoom, Google Meeting, etc instead of in person.

by tssva 3y ago

RhodesianHunter 3y ago

> I'm not sure that having to follow and respond to email chains or async communication chains on whatever medium was chosen is inherently more cost effective or less intrusive to creators than meetings. Async is 100% more efficient and cost effective. You can skim/ignore the content that is irrelevant to you. You can set aside the time that is most efficient for you to work through it. No one has to slice their day according to what is least inconvenient for the group at large.

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tssva 3y ago
> Async is 100% more efficient and cost effective. You can skim/ignore the content that is irrelevant to you. You can set aside the time that is most efficient for you to work through it. No one has to slice their day according to what is least inconvenient for the group at large. I find it hard to believe that optimizing for the individual vs the group is obviously 100% more efficient and cost effective when what really matters is the overall results of the group.
- RhodesianHunter 3y ago
  The overall results of the group are just the sum of results of the individuals. The more efficient the individuals are, the better the results of the group. And that's not even getting in to things like individuals' happiness and the results of turnover.
  - tssva 3y ago
    > The overall results of the group are just the sum of results of the individuals. The overall result of the group is not just a straight sum of the results of the individuals.

esafak 3y ago

With async media you empower recipients with managing their own time. Now they can reduce distractions, work when they want, and respond when they want. It is clear to me that this leads to better work and I have not seen anyone dispute this. The question is whether the activity that used to take place in meetings suffers more than the actual work improves. I doubt it. Most meetings are inefficient; not all participants are needed all of the time. I would default to no meeting and schedule one if there is a consensus that it would be better.

tssva 3y ago
> It is clear to me that this leads to better work and I have not seen anyone dispute this. I dispute it. There now you know someone that disputes it, so show me some evidence I'm wrong.
- esafak 3y ago
  Productivity went up sharply in the pandemic, for starters: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/OPHNFB https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/OPHNFB It's axiomatic that people can work more efficiently when they have fewer interruptions and more power over their schedules. There are many studies on this. One by Gloria Mark et al. found that it took around 25 minutes for individuals to regain their focus after an interruption or context switch. http://blog.idonethis.com/distractions-at-work http://blog.idonethis.com/distractions-at-work
  - tssva 3y ago
    I don't have any evidence but neither do you. Then again I'm not the one that stated something was clear and undisputed when really it is just an opinion. I'm not sure how increased productivity during the pandemic correlates to measuring the impacted of increased async communications vs meetings. I had a whole lot of meetings while working remote. They just occured via Teams, Zoom, Google Meeting, etc instead of in person.