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> it is dishonorable to be a cheater because others are cheating I disagree with this. Cheating can be moral or immoral. Cheating just means not following the

> it is dishonorable to be a cheater because others are cheating I disagree with this. Cheating can be moral or immoral. Cheating just means not following the rules. At least as often as not, the rules are meant to maintain the status quo or benefit the existing organizations. Terms of Service (TOS) are great examples of this. Companies blatantly stick in illegal terms just because they can since it's expensive to challenge them. I don't want you to do this, so I will make unfair rules in my favor. That said, I agree with the sentiment, but it's too reductive to allow the creativity needed in problem-solving to compete against entities that have many times the resources.

WalterBright 3y ago
> Cheating just means not following the rules When you agree to follow the rules, and then cheat, that is dishonorable. Even if everyone else does it (the Lance Armstrong defense). What's your word worth to you?
- solarmist 3y ago
  Wow, that is an extreme point of view. How could you even square that view with something like the civil disobedience of Gandhi or MLK Jr.? When I'm in a situation where one party is able to make demands unilaterally, then my word is worthless. And I will gleefully disregard portions of these agreements. On the other hand, when all parties have at least some consideration, my word is worth its weight in gold.
  - WalterBright 3y ago
    > Wow, that is an extreme point of view. That's a pretty sad thing to say. > How could you even square that view with something like the civil disobedience of Gandhi or MLK Jr.? Did they break rules they freely agreed to? I don't think so. It's not dishonorable to do things forced to do at gunpoint.
- Clubber 3y ago
  >What's your word worth to you? My dad taught me the importance of being honest early on. It was very important to him and it's important to me. I teach my kids the same thing. If you're a dishonest person, everyone will know it and treat you accordingly. It'll be the first thing out of someone's mouth when asked about you. It's not a shortcut. Even though some people can win that way, most don't.

WalterBright 3y ago

> Cheating just means not following the rules When you agree to follow the rules, and then cheat, that is dishonorable. Even if everyone else does it (the Lance Armstrong defense). What's your word worth to you?

solarmist 3y ago
Wow, that is an extreme point of view. How could you even square that view with something like the civil disobedience of Gandhi or MLK Jr.? When I'm in a situation where one party is able to make demands unilaterally, then my word is worthless. And I will gleefully disregard portions of these agreements. On the other hand, when all parties have at least some consideration, my word is worth its weight in gold.
- WalterBright 3y ago
  > Wow, that is an extreme point of view. That's a pretty sad thing to say. > How could you even square that view with something like the civil disobedience of Gandhi or MLK Jr.? Did they break rules they freely agreed to? I don't think so. It's not dishonorable to do things forced to do at gunpoint.
Clubber 3y ago
>What's your word worth to you? My dad taught me the importance of being honest early on. It was very important to him and it's important to me. I teach my kids the same thing. If you're a dishonest person, everyone will know it and treat you accordingly. It'll be the first thing out of someone's mouth when asked about you. It's not a shortcut. Even though some people can win that way, most don't.