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are the researchers allowed to disagree with Musk? if the supposedly-objective AI they produce contradicts Musk's views, will he accept that he's wrong? or will

are the researchers allowed to disagree with Musk? if the supposedly-objective AI they produce contradicts Musk's views, will he accept that he's wrong? or will he call it a bug, or pressure his researchers into training it to support his ideologies? in short: do you really believe this is Musk producing an objective truth-aligned AI and not just a Musk-aligned AI?

andreygrehov 3y ago
What makes you believe that one cannot disagree with Musk?
- sterlind 3y ago
  his conduct at Twitter, primarily, as he rapidly abandoned his promises of free-speech absolutism and started to micromanage its moderation to benefit himself.
  - andreygrehov 3y ago
    > he rapidly abandoned his promises of free-speech Hm, I don't think that's true. How does that manifest itself? > started to micromanage its moderation to benefit himself Has anyone been banned from the platform? + we are talking about Twitter, right? Elon uses Twitter for fun, it's pretty obvious from many of his troll tweets. Do you have any evidence that people cannot disagree with him when working directly in a professional environment (eg office, zoom call, etc)?
    - sterlind 3y ago
      > Has anyone been banned from the platform? Yes, evidently: https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/15/media/twitter-musk-journalists-hnk-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/15/media/twitter-musk-journalist... > Do you have any evidence that people cannot disagree with him when working directly in a professional environment (eg office, zoom call, etc)? Seems so: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/technology/elon-musk-twitter-fired-criticism.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/technology/elon-musk-twit... But I admit I don't follow Musk and his controversies very closely, I just looked these up. If you consider yourself disinterested and not a Musk supporter, and you think your take on Musk is representative of the general consensus, I'm happy to learn from you.
      - andreygrehov 3y ago
        https://twitter.com/donie https://twitter.com/donie https://twitter.com/RMac18 https://twitter.com/RMac18 The accounts are doing just fine. Stop reading the news. Especially the ones who are consistently attacking Elon to get their portion of ad revenue.
stillsut 3y ago
Me sense is its more permissible to publicly disagree with Musk on ideology than any other CEO of a large company in the world. I can't imagine that working at Google, Disney, ESPN, OpenAI, even Y-combinator! What ideological belief does Musk hold that would create friction with his employees?
- dudeinhawaii 3y ago
  Is this sarcasm? Right here on HN there's been many articles and discussions that are in complete opposition to what you've written with respect to both being able to disagree with musk as an employee and employee friction based on beliefs.
- fomine3 3y ago
  You didn't see the twitter fire drama
machdiamonds 3y ago
You think SpaceX, Tesla, etc. All succeeded because people weren't allowed to disagree with him?

andreygrehov 3y ago

What makes you believe that one cannot disagree with Musk?

sterlind 3y ago
his conduct at Twitter, primarily, as he rapidly abandoned his promises of free-speech absolutism and started to micromanage its moderation to benefit himself.
- andreygrehov 3y ago
  > he rapidly abandoned his promises of free-speech Hm, I don't think that's true. How does that manifest itself? > started to micromanage its moderation to benefit himself Has anyone been banned from the platform? + we are talking about Twitter, right? Elon uses Twitter for fun, it's pretty obvious from many of his troll tweets. Do you have any evidence that people cannot disagree with him when working directly in a professional environment (eg office, zoom call, etc)?
  - sterlind 3y ago
    > Has anyone been banned from the platform? Yes, evidently: https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/15/media/twitter-musk-journalists-hnk-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/15/media/twitter-musk-journalist... > Do you have any evidence that people cannot disagree with him when working directly in a professional environment (eg office, zoom call, etc)? Seems so: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/technology/elon-musk-twitter-fired-criticism.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/technology/elon-musk-twit... But I admit I don't follow Musk and his controversies very closely, I just looked these up. If you consider yourself disinterested and not a Musk supporter, and you think your take on Musk is representative of the general consensus, I'm happy to learn from you.
    - andreygrehov 3y ago
      https://twitter.com/donie https://twitter.com/donie https://twitter.com/RMac18 https://twitter.com/RMac18 The accounts are doing just fine. Stop reading the news. Especially the ones who are consistently attacking Elon to get their portion of ad revenue.

stillsut 3y ago

Me sense is its more permissible to publicly disagree with Musk on ideology than any other CEO of a large company in the world. I can't imagine that working at Google, Disney, ESPN, OpenAI, even Y-combinator! What ideological belief does Musk hold that would create friction with his employees?

dudeinhawaii 3y ago
Is this sarcasm? Right here on HN there's been many articles and discussions that are in complete opposition to what you've written with respect to both being able to disagree with musk as an employee and employee friction based on beliefs.
fomine3 3y ago
You didn't see the twitter fire drama

machdiamonds 3y ago

You think SpaceX, Tesla, etc. All succeeded because people weren't allowed to disagree with him?