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Imagine being dumb enough to run Windows. Running a copy of Windows in a throwaway VM is the only acceptable place to run Windows.

dgellow 3y ago
Please don’t insult people based on something as subjective as the OS they decide to use. That’s completely unnecessary to make your point regarding VMs and doesn’t have that place on HN.
- user6723 3y ago
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jeroenhd 3y ago
I know hating on Windows is popular and I myself detest what Microsoft is doing to their operating system, but Windows is still a better OS than its competition for most people. This is reflected in its worldwide market share. Windows can actually be managed by am IT department and has a massive security ecosystem. If a corporation with more than ten people has to deal with my data, I'd much rather see them use Windows than anything else.
- user6723 3y ago
  >> and has a massive security ecosystem. lol and we all know why
  - anthk 3y ago
    And yet useless because 90% of compability modes will send such security to /dev/null. Office macros, OCX, Active X compat plugins for IE11 (they still are), VBA, VBScript executions, screensavers as they stated, drop-in replacement DLL's, security overrides because that w9x doesn't work with admin rights... And so on. WinNT would be secure if MS ditched Office Macros (or at least hard-sandboxed them) and ran all w9x software on seamless VM's.
- fsflover 3y ago
  > Windows is still a better OS than its competition for most people. This is reflected in its worldwide market share If people chose things according to what is better, marketing would not exist.
  - anthk 3y ago
    Also, for every AD/GPO key on security there are 2000 ways either overriding them or doing huge harms with Office macros, OLE calls, VBscript, OCX compat calls and so on.
    - user6723 3y ago
      anthk here has an actual clue
zer8k 3y ago
Pretty hot take considering Windows Server is still incredibly popular especially in stuffy fortune 500s. It's also an acceptable OS for people who are less technical, or have a specific requirement to be on Windows. I would argue mechanical engineers are very smart and yet they are stuck on Windows because CAD software is stuck on Windows (no, FreeCAD isn't enough remotely good enough). There's also a lot of bespoke locked-with-dongle stuff that only runs on Windows as well. Video games almost exclusively run on Windows. At least until Proton really takes off. I suppose you may not be very experienced. Windows is actually pretty powerful. I am a full time Linux user and still miss how convenient installing things like drivers, weird software, etc was on Windows. I just can't stand the new spyware angle they've taken their consumer offering. It's not hard to configure Windows to be safe and Microsoft is often times better than many linux distros about pushing patches.
- anthk 3y ago
  With hard ramsonwares from Eastern Europe most fortune 500 will consider changing into anything non-Windows based (at least for servers and office work such as documentation and management) because of their own sanity.
  - zer8k 3y ago
    Hasn't been my experience. With managed systems on azure life is fairly easy from a sysop perspective. Getting ransomware is more of a strategic problem than an operating system problem at that scale. Personally, I prefer Linux servers. But my motivations aren't the same as other companies. For example, I really don't like the idea of license fees or vendor lock-in. In exchange, however, my Linux servers take more effort to secure properly with many more foot-guns available via configuration file.
    - user6723 3y ago
      >> my Linux servers take more effort to secure properly with many more foot-guns available via configuration file. Yikes. The hands that typed this should not have admin/root access to servers.

dgellow 3y ago

Please don’t insult people based on something as subjective as the OS they decide to use. That’s completely unnecessary to make your point regarding VMs and doesn’t have that place on HN.

user6723 3y ago
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jeroenhd 3y ago

I know hating on Windows is popular and I myself detest what Microsoft is doing to their operating system, but Windows is still a better OS than its competition for most people. This is reflected in its worldwide market share. Windows can actually be managed by am IT department and has a massive security ecosystem. If a corporation with more than ten people has to deal with my data, I'd much rather see them use Windows than anything else.

user6723 3y ago
>> and has a massive security ecosystem. lol and we all know why
- anthk 3y ago
  And yet useless because 90% of compability modes will send such security to /dev/null. Office macros, OCX, Active X compat plugins for IE11 (they still are), VBA, VBScript executions, screensavers as they stated, drop-in replacement DLL's, security overrides because that w9x doesn't work with admin rights... And so on. WinNT would be secure if MS ditched Office Macros (or at least hard-sandboxed them) and ran all w9x software on seamless VM's.
fsflover 3y ago
> Windows is still a better OS than its competition for most people. This is reflected in its worldwide market share If people chose things according to what is better, marketing would not exist.
- anthk 3y ago
  Also, for every AD/GPO key on security there are 2000 ways either overriding them or doing huge harms with Office macros, OLE calls, VBscript, OCX compat calls and so on.
  - user6723 3y ago
    anthk here has an actual clue

zer8k 3y ago

Pretty hot take considering Windows Server is still incredibly popular especially in stuffy fortune 500s. It's also an acceptable OS for people who are less technical, or have a specific requirement to be on Windows. I would argue mechanical engineers are very smart and yet they are stuck on Windows because CAD software is stuck on Windows (no, FreeCAD isn't enough remotely good enough). There's also a lot of bespoke locked-with-dongle stuff that only runs on Windows as well. Video games almost exclusively run on Windows. At least until Proton really takes off. I suppose you may not be very experienced. Windows is actually pretty powerful. I am a full time Linux user and still miss how convenient installing things like drivers, weird software, etc was on Windows. I just can't stand the new spyware angle they've taken their consumer offering. It's not hard to configure Windows to be safe and Microsoft is often times better than many linux distros about pushing patches.

anthk 3y ago
With hard ramsonwares from Eastern Europe most fortune 500 will consider changing into anything non-Windows based (at least for servers and office work such as documentation and management) because of their own sanity.
- zer8k 3y ago
  Hasn't been my experience. With managed systems on azure life is fairly easy from a sysop perspective. Getting ransomware is more of a strategic problem than an operating system problem at that scale. Personally, I prefer Linux servers. But my motivations aren't the same as other companies. For example, I really don't like the idea of license fees or vendor lock-in. In exchange, however, my Linux servers take more effort to secure properly with many more foot-guns available via configuration file.
  - user6723 3y ago
    >> my Linux servers take more effort to secure properly with many more foot-guns available via configuration file. Yikes. The hands that typed this should not have admin/root access to servers.