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> It's anecdotal, but I think Mastodon missed the boat, in large part because of the pretty terrible sign up experience. The Fediverse missed the boat of becom

> It's anecdotal, but I think Mastodon missed the boat, in large part because of the pretty terrible sign up experience. The Fediverse missed the boat of becoming the next public square because it was never sailing that route to begin with, if you'll pardon the slightly twisted metaphor. ActivityPub, and by extension Mastodon, are not community spaces; they are tools for building community spaces. There are at least three major spaces currently: the heavily-moderated, mostly lefty area, the barely-moderated, heavily alt-right area, and the area dominated by Pawoo and defined primarily by Japan's legal jurisdiction regarding image media. There are some interfaces between these broad areas, and some sub-divisions within them, as well as some smaller, mutually allowlisted islands that don't federate outside at all. Building a new public square may be Eugen Rochko's goal, but it's not what most instance admins and moderators want. Joining the Fediverse looking for a new Twitter is and always has been a mistake.

Ensorceled 3y ago
> The Fediverse missed the boat of becoming the next public square because it was never sailing that route to begin with, if you'll pardon the slightly twisted metaphor. I agree entirely. There were a lot of people saying that the Fediverse was the next Twitter but that fell flat due, in part, because a lot of Mastodon communities weren't interested.
vidarh 3y ago
And there are even more when you factor in the many other services speaking ActivityPub.
michaelmrose 3y ago
The right now defines itself in terms of the extremists who are the largest minority of that population who are pretty open about being fascists in all but label wherein center right is redefined as those who would tolerate fascists in service of dubious values. Prior center right from decades past is finding their positions redefined as "woke" or "liberal". In the current context of defining the right in terms of extremism there is no value in a public square including more extremists or their apologists. They have nothing to say worth hearing because the nuggets of wisdom would be embedded in an ocean of bullshit. Incidentally this is essentially a heavily moderated mostly lefty area by most current right wingers definition. Because of this its filled with actual discussion.

Ensorceled 3y ago

> The Fediverse missed the boat of becoming the next public square because it was never sailing that route to begin with, if you'll pardon the slightly twisted metaphor. I agree entirely. There were a lot of people saying that the Fediverse was the next Twitter but that fell flat due, in part, because a lot of Mastodon communities weren't interested.

vidarh 3y ago

And there are even more when you factor in the many other services speaking ActivityPub.

michaelmrose 3y ago

The right now defines itself in terms of the extremists who are the largest minority of that population who are pretty open about being fascists in all but label wherein center right is redefined as those who would tolerate fascists in service of dubious values. Prior center right from decades past is finding their positions redefined as "woke" or "liberal". In the current context of defining the right in terms of extremism there is no value in a public square including more extremists or their apologists. They have nothing to say worth hearing because the nuggets of wisdom would be embedded in an ocean of bullshit. Incidentally this is essentially a heavily moderated mostly lefty area by most current right wingers definition. Because of this its filled with actual discussion.