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Oh, no. Those late night comedians might actually have to think up their clever monologs! Like they did when they were struggling stand-up comedians. They might

Oh, no. Those late night comedians might actually have to think up their clever monologs! Like they did when they were struggling stand-up comedians. They might have to interview their guests as if they actually knew anything about them. Bad idea. Just shut down. https://decider.com/2023/05/02/late-night-television-shut-down-wga-strike-tonight-show-jimmy-kimmel-live-the-late-show/ https://decider.com/2023/05/02/late-night-television-shut-do...

Eumenes 3y ago
The current lineup of late night "comedians" is just horrible ... I miss john stewart - did he write his own stuff?
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- luma 3y ago
  Absolutely not and he stands in solidarity with his writers as he is also a WGA member: https://deadline.com/2023/05/writers-strike-jon-stewart-cancels-the-problem-with-apple-event-1235354633/ https://deadline.com/2023/05/writers-strike-jon-stewart-canc...
crazygringo 3y ago
Struggling stand-up comedians come up with 10 min of good new material every few months. Not every night. There isn't a person on earth who can write an entire good late night monologue by themselves, consistently, every single night.
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  Maybe they could skip the monologue then? Just a thought.
  - crazygringo 3y ago
    Why? Is there some kind of objection to having a team of comedy writers? When we watch TV shows those are almost always written by a team of writers as well. Writing and performing are different skills. Actors don't write their lines either.
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  Late night TV shows as a format are way, way past their sell-by date. I think they'd do well to experiment with other formats and delivery channels, before they get canceled altogether. https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2022/09/30/how-late-night-talk-ratings-cratered-during-trevor-noahs-daily-show-era/?sh=67e3816c6c15 https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2022/09/30/how-l... >Noah’s premiere episode as The Daily Show host in September 2015 garnered 3.47 million viewers, directly on par with Jon Stewart’s final episode a month prior. > That year, The Daily Show averaged 1.1 million viewers, lagging somewhat behind broadcast shows like NBC’s The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon (3.78 million), CBS’ The Late Show With Stephen Colbert (3.17 million) and ABC’s Jimmy Kimmel Live! (2.53 million), according to Variety. https://archive.ph/7HBWK https://archive.ph/7HBWK Meantime, Joe Rogan averages 11 million listeners per episode: https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-what-joe-rogan-s-viewership-numbers https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-what-joe-rogan-s-viewer... I suspect Fresh Air (Terry Gross) also beats them all, although that number seems a little harder to get specifically: https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/fact-sheet/audio-and-podcasting/ https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/fact-sheet/audio-and-... "Those are not comparable!" you say? Exactly. Rogan and Gross are people who have one guest at a time and actually talk to them. It's pretty clear that audiences are starting to prefer that.
  - crazygringo 3y ago
    Does that bother you for some reason? All of TV audiences have plummeted for individual shows, because we're all watching different things now. But I think the majority of late night viewing may be on YouTube the next day. It certainly seems to be thriving there. At least when there isn't a writer's strike. I don't know why you personally want talk shows shut down. Many millions of people enjoy them, and if that pays their bills, then what does it matter to you? It's not like 12:00 am is a super coveted slot that they're taking away from something else that would be more popular at that time.
    - AlbertCory 3y ago
      > Does that bother you for some reason? No, does it bother you to see late night shows attacked? Apparently it does since you keep replying. This was originally a comment about the late night shows shutting down for lack of writers. If TV executives are considering dropping them altogether and turning the time slot back to local stations, that must mean they're really doing worse than the other shows. This sentence doesn't even parse: > Many millions of people enjoy them, and if that pays their bills, whose bills? the "millions" who enjoy them? > It certainly seems to be thriving there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTmk7X8vGQk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTmk7X8vGQk has 3.3M views, and that's a "best of" collection. What's the viewership each day, and is that the whole show or just a few excerpts?
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  This is true, but does it matter? I do not miss the nightly funnies at all, although I used to watch most of them regularly (my wife likes comedy). Part of the issue in my view is the American tendency to max out on everything. Nobody can be consistently funny as you say, but these shows ran 405 nights/week because it's easy to sell cheap laughs, just like it's easy to sell cheap burgers and fries. In many ways these shows are the opium of the people, letting people blow off a little steam before falling asleep and then getting up the next day to work again.

Eumenes 3y ago

The current lineup of late night "comedians" is just horrible ... I miss john stewart - did he write his own stuff?

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luma 3y ago
Absolutely not and he stands in solidarity with his writers as he is also a WGA member: https://deadline.com/2023/05/writers-strike-jon-stewart-cancels-the-problem-with-apple-event-1235354633/ https://deadline.com/2023/05/writers-strike-jon-stewart-canc...

crazygringo 3y ago

Struggling stand-up comedians come up with 10 min of good new material every few months. Not every night. There isn't a person on earth who can write an entire good late night monologue by themselves, consistently, every single night.

AlbertCory 3y ago
Maybe they could skip the monologue then? Just a thought.
- crazygringo 3y ago
  Why? Is there some kind of objection to having a team of comedy writers? When we watch TV shows those are almost always written by a team of writers as well. Writing and performing are different skills. Actors don't write their lines either.
AlbertCory 3y ago
Late night TV shows as a format are way, way past their sell-by date. I think they'd do well to experiment with other formats and delivery channels, before they get canceled altogether. https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2022/09/30/how-late-night-talk-ratings-cratered-during-trevor-noahs-daily-show-era/?sh=67e3816c6c15 https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2022/09/30/how-l... >Noah’s premiere episode as The Daily Show host in September 2015 garnered 3.47 million viewers, directly on par with Jon Stewart’s final episode a month prior. > That year, The Daily Show averaged 1.1 million viewers, lagging somewhat behind broadcast shows like NBC’s The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon (3.78 million), CBS’ The Late Show With Stephen Colbert (3.17 million) and ABC’s Jimmy Kimmel Live! (2.53 million), according to Variety. https://archive.ph/7HBWK https://archive.ph/7HBWK Meantime, Joe Rogan averages 11 million listeners per episode: https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-what-joe-rogan-s-viewership-numbers https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-what-joe-rogan-s-viewer... I suspect Fresh Air (Terry Gross) also beats them all, although that number seems a little harder to get specifically: https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/fact-sheet/audio-and-podcasting/ https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/fact-sheet/audio-and-... "Those are not comparable!" you say? Exactly. Rogan and Gross are people who have one guest at a time and actually talk to them. It's pretty clear that audiences are starting to prefer that.
- crazygringo 3y ago
  Does that bother you for some reason? All of TV audiences have plummeted for individual shows, because we're all watching different things now. But I think the majority of late night viewing may be on YouTube the next day. It certainly seems to be thriving there. At least when there isn't a writer's strike. I don't know why you personally want talk shows shut down. Many millions of people enjoy them, and if that pays their bills, then what does it matter to you? It's not like 12:00 am is a super coveted slot that they're taking away from something else that would be more popular at that time.
  - AlbertCory 3y ago
    > Does that bother you for some reason? No, does it bother you to see late night shows attacked? Apparently it does since you keep replying. This was originally a comment about the late night shows shutting down for lack of writers. If TV executives are considering dropping them altogether and turning the time slot back to local stations, that must mean they're really doing worse than the other shows. This sentence doesn't even parse: > Many millions of people enjoy them, and if that pays their bills, whose bills? the "millions" who enjoy them? > It certainly seems to be thriving there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTmk7X8vGQk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTmk7X8vGQk has 3.3M views, and that's a "best of" collection. What's the viewership each day, and is that the whole show or just a few excerpts?
anigbrowl 3y ago
This is true, but does it matter? I do not miss the nightly funnies at all, although I used to watch most of them regularly (my wife likes comedy). Part of the issue in my view is the American tendency to max out on everything. Nobody can be consistently funny as you say, but these shows ran 405 nights/week because it's easy to sell cheap laughs, just like it's easy to sell cheap burgers and fries. In many ways these shows are the opium of the people, letting people blow off a little steam before falling asleep and then getting up the next day to work again.