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> I strongly believe that you should be able to have a government-backed, federated ID. No thank you. This sort of thing will eventually become compelled and m

> I strongly believe that you should be able to have a government-backed, federated ID. No thank you. This sort of thing will eventually become compelled and made into a series of regulations in the name of "safety", etc. > lurk in the shadows of the Internet via anonymity and good opsec. This is a feature, not a bug. Anonymitity is extremely important for many people.

gochi 3y ago
It's not an either or. More people are handling important tasks through the internet it's time we all step up and take that more seriously. We can do so without losing anonymity. Negating this won't keep you anonymous, we're already being tracked at every possible avenue with profiles created on us the second we open a website or app. We can either tackle this head on by taking ID seriously online on our terms (necessary E2EE, full ID can never be accessed, it's not stored in a central database, etc), or we can let most corporations continue to trade our profiles around for funsies while acting like our pseudonyms will protect us.
pphysch 3y ago
As I said, anonymity should always be an option. But it should also be an option to engage in platforms where anonymous spammers, trolls, and criminals are not feasible, where reputation matters and some level of social integrity can be restored. And ideally without a secretive corporation exploiting your attention and data for their profits. I promise you that this latter group (youths, "normies") is vastly larger than the group of people who actually need anonymity.
- nemo44x 3y ago
  > I promise you that this latter group (youths, "normies") is vastly larger than the group of people who actually need anonymity. I just don't think that's true. Many people have opinions that will lead them to being attacked and cancelled, etc. There are groups of people ready to isolate and pounce on whoever they can so as to compel others to shut-up. I get what you're saying but I don't agree that government has a place in regulating speech. People are free to join or leave platforms as they see fit.
- joiqj 3y ago
  Once an electronic ID is created it will be enforced, perhaps even to log into the internet, and anonymity won't be an option. The EU busybodies are not your friends.
xorcist 3y ago
Anything resembling a modern society is built on identity. How would you access a bank account anonymously? How would you file your taxes anonymously? Get an education? Acquire (legal) drugs? Buy a house? Travel abroad (and back again)? Most countries have a way to provide identity to provide the above services. Passports are an internationally federated system, but there is no equivalent for digital signatures. This is a problem when you want to study or work abroad, or receive pension from abroad, or any of a dozen other real world situations that regularly causes headaches for normal people.
- nemo44x 3y ago
  It already exists if you need the IRS or if you want to buy/sell treasuries. We don’t need an identity that spans the internet. It will become compelled eventually.

gochi 3y ago

It's not an either or. More people are handling important tasks through the internet it's time we all step up and take that more seriously. We can do so without losing anonymity. Negating this won't keep you anonymous, we're already being tracked at every possible avenue with profiles created on us the second we open a website or app. We can either tackle this head on by taking ID seriously online on our terms (necessary E2EE, full ID can never be accessed, it's not stored in a central database, etc), or we can let most corporations continue to trade our profiles around for funsies while acting like our pseudonyms will protect us.

pphysch 3y ago

As I said, anonymity should always be an option. But it should also be an option to engage in platforms where anonymous spammers, trolls, and criminals are not feasible, where reputation matters and some level of social integrity can be restored. And ideally without a secretive corporation exploiting your attention and data for their profits. I promise you that this latter group (youths, "normies") is vastly larger than the group of people who actually need anonymity.

nemo44x 3y ago
> I promise you that this latter group (youths, "normies") is vastly larger than the group of people who actually need anonymity. I just don't think that's true. Many people have opinions that will lead them to being attacked and cancelled, etc. There are groups of people ready to isolate and pounce on whoever they can so as to compel others to shut-up. I get what you're saying but I don't agree that government has a place in regulating speech. People are free to join or leave platforms as they see fit.
joiqj 3y ago
Once an electronic ID is created it will be enforced, perhaps even to log into the internet, and anonymity won't be an option. The EU busybodies are not your friends.

xorcist 3y ago

Anything resembling a modern society is built on identity. How would you access a bank account anonymously? How would you file your taxes anonymously? Get an education? Acquire (legal) drugs? Buy a house? Travel abroad (and back again)? Most countries have a way to provide identity to provide the above services. Passports are an internationally federated system, but there is no equivalent for digital signatures. This is a problem when you want to study or work abroad, or receive pension from abroad, or any of a dozen other real world situations that regularly causes headaches for normal people.

nemo44x 3y ago
It already exists if you need the IRS or if you want to buy/sell treasuries. We don’t need an identity that spans the internet. It will become compelled eventually.