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Compared to the meteoric rise of Threads, it's hard to argue that they didn't fumble the bag when the end-zone was wide open. Once you get past the user-hostil

by Pxtl 3y ago

Compared to the meteoric rise of Threads, it's hard to argue that they didn't fumble the bag when the end-zone was wide open. Once you get past the user-hostile joining and following process, ultimately Mastodon just has awful content discoverability since there's no algorithmic feed available, not even good reply displays. You're relying on your follows to retoot anything interesting, and one prolific poster can completely flood your feed. It's just not good enough. I really tried to like it, but it just isn't.

Ensorceled 3y ago
> Compared to the meteoric rise of Threads, it's hard to argue that they didn't fumble the bag when the end-zone was wide open. Following the conversations here, you can sort of see why. Seems like a lot of Mastodon didn't really want to be a Twitter replacement and it also seems like a lot of Mastodon admins and users are happy for that. I entirely support that, I just wish they hadn't wasted a lot of people's time by pretending.
- beej71 3y ago
  > pretending I don't get this. I read what Mastodon was from their own site, decided that sounded way better than Twitter at this game, and went there. And it was better for me. I don't recall being misled. How much time could possibly have been wasted?
FalconSensei 3y ago
on the other hand, I loved Twitter when it was chronological, and hated it with all my heart after they started changing that. Mastodon is way better for me.
- Pxtl 3y ago
  Even when it was chronological, there was a happy middle-ground where it would show you the context of reply-tweets and would collapse tweet-threads. And nobody wants a mandatory algorithmic feed, but an optional one is definitely a good thing - show me the follows of follows, the accounts that get lots of likes from my follows, etc.
  - FalconSensei 3y ago
    No, you are missing the point of Mastodon. The point is to be a service where it doesn't suggest things for you. You can say that's not for you and stay on Twitter/Threads/BlueSky, but people move to Mastodon for this reason. You will also notice that Mastodon doesn't have quote-boost, and searching is limited to hashtags/users, and it will only find text results from posts of users you follow already (or even just you, I'm not sure). These are made on purpose, and even adding the quote-boost is being debated for like 5 or 6 years, and it's not going to happen unless it's a setting so you have to allow people to quote-boost you.

by Pxtl 3y ago

Ensorceled 3y ago

> Compared to the meteoric rise of Threads, it's hard to argue that they didn't fumble the bag when the end-zone was wide open. Following the conversations here, you can sort of see why. Seems like a lot of Mastodon didn't really want to be a Twitter replacement and it also seems like a lot of Mastodon admins and users are happy for that. I entirely support that, I just wish they hadn't wasted a lot of people's time by pretending.

beej71 3y ago
> pretending I don't get this. I read what Mastodon was from their own site, decided that sounded way better than Twitter at this game, and went there. And it was better for me. I don't recall being misled. How much time could possibly have been wasted?

FalconSensei 3y ago

on the other hand, I loved Twitter when it was chronological, and hated it with all my heart after they started changing that. Mastodon is way better for me.

Pxtl 3y ago
Even when it was chronological, there was a happy middle-ground where it would show you the context of reply-tweets and would collapse tweet-threads. And nobody wants a mandatory algorithmic feed, but an optional one is definitely a good thing - show me the follows of follows, the accounts that get lots of likes from my follows, etc.
- FalconSensei 3y ago
  No, you are missing the point of Mastodon. The point is to be a service where it doesn't suggest things for you. You can say that's not for you and stay on Twitter/Threads/BlueSky, but people move to Mastodon for this reason. You will also notice that Mastodon doesn't have quote-boost, and searching is limited to hashtags/users, and it will only find text results from posts of users you follow already (or even just you, I'm not sure). These are made on purpose, and even adding the quote-boost is being debated for like 5 or 6 years, and it's not going to happen unless it's a setting so you have to allow people to quote-boost you.