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Reddit still has millions of people (tens? 100+?) who choose to use and submit content to the site. That's millions of people you can share Jesus Christ with, s

Reddit still has millions of people (tens? 100+?) who choose to use and submit content to the site. That's millions of people you can share Jesus Christ with, show love to (esp encouragement / counseling), learn from, collaborate with, and market to. There's so much good happening over there! To see Reddit as having no value, a person's ideology would have to outweigh all those benefits. If it's a bad business, then all of that value it provides for all of those people wouldn't be worth whatever Reddit asked in return. Most still accept Reddit's terms for what the site offers them in return. Much of the turmoil was about API fees. I'm happy to pay their fee to do more good for people. It might not have acceptable cost-benefit for everyone's use, though. I can definitely imagine better ways to do it for sure. That might include free blocks of or discounted calls to the API for OSS developers, academics, and Reddit Gold members (even if only 100-1000 for personal use). As an I.P.O.-focused startup, I accept that they're going to do what's good for their bottom line. Let's say you want the situation to improve. For such companies, you can try to propose to decision-makers suggestions like above that increase value to everyone (including them!) with low or no extra cost. That's speaking their language. For avoiding harmful lock-in, people can (a) avoiding putting critical data in for-profit services or (b) keep backups of their data off-site in form OSS software can easily host. You can get a free copy of your Reddit data, too, at the link below: https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043048352-How-do-I-request-a-copy-of-my-Reddit-data-and-information- https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/36004304835...

johnnyanmac 3y ago
>To see Reddit as having no value, a person's ideology would have to outweigh all those benefits. Not quite, the downsides simply have to outweight the benefits. Value is relative, but even before this drama I've simply started valuing reddit less and less. It's harder for me to find actual conversation and I need to filter out more and more noise, toxicity, and outright spam to do it. It's become too much work, and that says a lot given that I browse Youtube and 4chan comments as well. >If it's a bad business, then all of that value it provides for all of those people wouldn't be worth whatever Reddit asked in return. Given recent valuations from places like Fidelity, that may in fact be the case. And that's who Reddit is trying to appeal to, not the actual users beneitting from the value of community. >Much of the turmoil was about API fees. I'm happy to pay their fee to do more good for people. And I'm sure others do too. However Reddit made it clear next month that they don't want 3rd party devs to divert costs to the users. Which sends a message that they do not want to work with 3rd party devs on their terms. I don't want to swing this back to that drama, but that example is very endemic of how Reddit has operated for at least 7 years. There are compromises users would like to make but reddit doesn't allow nor make time to make becasuse the focus isn't on user satisfaction. Maybe others will continue asking. But I'm simply done. The time I spent trying to improve reddit could have honestly been spent finding and fostering a new community who will listen.
- nickpsecurity 3y ago
  Yeah, there’s lots of noise and toxicity. It reflects the values of those generating it. You gotta find subs with values that produce different things. Two I’m often on are below: one high signal to noise; one whose signal is worth the noise. Hope you find good community. https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/ https://www.reddit.com/r/truechristian/ https://www.reddit.com/r/truechristian/

johnnyanmac 3y ago

>To see Reddit as having no value, a person's ideology would have to outweigh all those benefits. Not quite, the downsides simply have to outweight the benefits. Value is relative, but even before this drama I've simply started valuing reddit less and less. It's harder for me to find actual conversation and I need to filter out more and more noise, toxicity, and outright spam to do it. It's become too much work, and that says a lot given that I browse Youtube and 4chan comments as well. >If it's a bad business, then all of that value it provides for all of those people wouldn't be worth whatever Reddit asked in return. Given recent valuations from places like Fidelity, that may in fact be the case. And that's who Reddit is trying to appeal to, not the actual users beneitting from the value of community. >Much of the turmoil was about API fees. I'm happy to pay their fee to do more good for people. And I'm sure others do too. However Reddit made it clear next month that they don't want 3rd party devs to divert costs to the users. Which sends a message that they do not want to work with 3rd party devs on their terms. I don't want to swing this back to that drama, but that example is very endemic of how Reddit has operated for at least 7 years. There are compromises users would like to make but reddit doesn't allow nor make time to make becasuse the focus isn't on user satisfaction. Maybe others will continue asking. But I'm simply done. The time I spent trying to improve reddit could have honestly been spent finding and fostering a new community who will listen.

nickpsecurity 3y ago
Yeah, there’s lots of noise and toxicity. It reflects the values of those generating it. You gotta find subs with values that produce different things. Two I’m often on are below: one high signal to noise; one whose signal is worth the noise. Hope you find good community. https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/ https://www.reddit.com/r/truechristian/ https://www.reddit.com/r/truechristian/