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Your problem is not of "free speech". Your problem is that you feel entitled to other people's attention, and you think if you are not "getting heard" by them,

Your problem is not of "free speech". Your problem is that you feel entitled to other people's attention, and you think if you are not "getting heard" by them, you are being censored. Sorry, this is complete bullshit. > but only at home, where nobody hears them You can still invite people to your own home. If nobody is hearing it, it's because they are not interested to join you.

cubefox 3y ago
> Your problem is not of "free speech". Your problem is that you feel entitled to other people's attention, and you think if you are not "getting heard" by them, you are being censored. That's false. On social media, everyone is free to follow just the people they want to follow. Muting is also an option. Your problem is that you hate free speech. You don't want to just choose what you see yourself, you want also censor what other people are allowed see. > You can still invite people to your own home. Yes, that's possible in China as well. According to you, this justifies state censorship. After all, you are only censored in public on social media.
- rglullis 3y ago
  > That's false. On social media, everyone is free to follow just the people they want to follow. Muting is also an option. This right here shows why you don´t understand why instance-wide blocking might be needed. I can give you one clear example: my instance is running in Germany. As such, I need to comply with German laws. Now, if anyone from my instance follows someone from a "free speech extremist" instance and my server ends up with Nazi propaganda, guess who will be under investigation? Substitute "Nazi propaganda" for "instances for sex-workers who might be victims of people trafficking" if you prefer. > Yes, that's possible in China as well. No, it's not. The Chinese police will come after you if you try to organize any type of opposition and they will have the power to hurt you without a fair trial. Eugen is not going to do anything with you if you go talk shit about him on your instance. I know because I did it. ;)
  - cubefox 3y ago
    > I can give you one clear example: my instance is running in Germany. As such, I need to comply with German laws. Of course no admin can do anything about the law. That's in fact what Elon Musk said: The platform should only censor as much as is required by the law. But in practice on Mastodon much more is censored than on Twitter. > The Chinese police will come after you if you try to organize any type of opposition The Chinese police will certainly not come if you utter your opinions in your own home, precisely because nobody will hear them. Restricting free speech only to areas where it can't be heared isn't free speech.
    - rglullis 3y ago
      > will certainly not come (...) because nobody will hear them > Restricting free speech only to areas where it can't be heared (sic) isn't free speech. You missed the part where I said you can invite others and use that space to organize opposition. Was that intentional? Also, I can't believe that you are making me say it: - There is no global/universal definition of what is Free Speech. - You don't get to decide what is or not "Free Speech". - Even in the US, "Protection of Free Speech" is only about avoid persecution from the Government, not about being able to say whatever crap you want without consequences. God, even for a conservative like me, this shit is tiring...
      - cubefox 3y ago
        > "Protection of Free Speech" is only about avoid persecution from the Government, not about being able to say whatever crap you want without consequences. The same thing could be said to you when your political opinions get censored. But it seems you can't imagine that.
        rglullis 3y ago
        You keep saying "censored", yet you haven't provided one single example of actual censorship. Let me try again: can you give one example of something you said that got you in trouble in any social network?

cubefox 3y ago

> Your problem is not of "free speech". Your problem is that you feel entitled to other people's attention, and you think if you are not "getting heard" by them, you are being censored. That's false. On social media, everyone is free to follow just the people they want to follow. Muting is also an option. Your problem is that you hate free speech. You don't want to just choose what you see yourself, you want also censor what other people are allowed see. > You can still invite people to your own home. Yes, that's possible in China as well. According to you, this justifies state censorship. After all, you are only censored in public on social media.

rglullis 3y ago
> That's false. On social media, everyone is free to follow just the people they want to follow. Muting is also an option. This right here shows why you don´t understand why instance-wide blocking might be needed. I can give you one clear example: my instance is running in Germany. As such, I need to comply with German laws. Now, if anyone from my instance follows someone from a "free speech extremist" instance and my server ends up with Nazi propaganda, guess who will be under investigation? Substitute "Nazi propaganda" for "instances for sex-workers who might be victims of people trafficking" if you prefer. > Yes, that's possible in China as well. No, it's not. The Chinese police will come after you if you try to organize any type of opposition and they will have the power to hurt you without a fair trial. Eugen is not going to do anything with you if you go talk shit about him on your instance. I know because I did it. ;)
- cubefox 3y ago
  > I can give you one clear example: my instance is running in Germany. As such, I need to comply with German laws. Of course no admin can do anything about the law. That's in fact what Elon Musk said: The platform should only censor as much as is required by the law. But in practice on Mastodon much more is censored than on Twitter. > The Chinese police will come after you if you try to organize any type of opposition The Chinese police will certainly not come if you utter your opinions in your own home, precisely because nobody will hear them. Restricting free speech only to areas where it can't be heared isn't free speech.
  - rglullis 3y ago
    > will certainly not come (...) because nobody will hear them > Restricting free speech only to areas where it can't be heared (sic) isn't free speech. You missed the part where I said you can invite others and use that space to organize opposition. Was that intentional? Also, I can't believe that you are making me say it: - There is no global/universal definition of what is Free Speech. - You don't get to decide what is or not "Free Speech". - Even in the US, "Protection of Free Speech" is only about avoid persecution from the Government, not about being able to say whatever crap you want without consequences. God, even for a conservative like me, this shit is tiring...
    - cubefox 3y ago
      > "Protection of Free Speech" is only about avoid persecution from the Government, not about being able to say whatever crap you want without consequences. The same thing could be said to you when your political opinions get censored. But it seems you can't imagine that.
      - rglullis 3y ago
        You keep saying "censored", yet you haven't provided one single example of actual censorship. Let me try again: can you give one example of something you said that got you in trouble in any social network?