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- They don't need your contact list to still build your contact graph. - They still collect things like your location, your call history, etc. In Brazil it's q

- They don't need your contact list to still build your contact graph. - They still collect things like your location, your call history, etc. In Brazil it's quite common for people to use WhatsApp to call their doctors. This means that Facebook can know what type of health issues you have just by checking if you are calling/texting a specialist. - They are still owned by Facebook and they take whatever data they can to feed the Borg. - I can not prove it, but I am convinced that they scan the video stream in the device.

distcs 3y ago
> I can not prove it, but I am convinced that they scan the video stream in the device. You can't prove it, alright. But do you mind sharing why you are convinced they scan the video stream?
- rglullis 3y ago
  In a public forum, I do mind it. Sorry. It's nothing really embarrassing or wrong, but I worry that it might be taken out of context.
  - distcs 3y ago
    Ok. that's fair. thanks for taking the time to respond. appreciate it.
- qwery 3y ago
  Why wouldn't you assume they do? Sorry if that sounds argumentative, it's not my intent. As I understand it, their software processes everything you send to/through them. (And it's easy to imagine reasons why they would be interested in doing so)
robertlagrant 3y ago
Taking your first three points as true, the trade is you get free global multi-way instant messaging, including pictures and video/audio clips, and video calling, for no cost other than minimal data costs. Lots of people are currently willing to make that trade, at least until a competitor comes along that offers something better.
- rglullis 3y ago
  The fact that lots of people are willing to make that trade does not make it good or ethical. > at least until a competitor comes along that offers something better. Next year, the EU is going to force all messenger platforms to interoperate. Then we will be able to really compare.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    Love to know how e2ee will work with this!

distcs 3y ago

> I can not prove it, but I am convinced that they scan the video stream in the device. You can't prove it, alright. But do you mind sharing why you are convinced they scan the video stream?

rglullis 3y ago
In a public forum, I do mind it. Sorry. It's nothing really embarrassing or wrong, but I worry that it might be taken out of context.
- distcs 3y ago
  Ok. that's fair. thanks for taking the time to respond. appreciate it.
qwery 3y ago
Why wouldn't you assume they do? Sorry if that sounds argumentative, it's not my intent. As I understand it, their software processes everything you send to/through them. (And it's easy to imagine reasons why they would be interested in doing so)

robertlagrant 3y ago

Taking your first three points as true, the trade is you get free global multi-way instant messaging, including pictures and video/audio clips, and video calling, for no cost other than minimal data costs. Lots of people are currently willing to make that trade, at least until a competitor comes along that offers something better.

rglullis 3y ago
The fact that lots of people are willing to make that trade does not make it good or ethical. > at least until a competitor comes along that offers something better. Next year, the EU is going to force all messenger platforms to interoperate. Then we will be able to really compare.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  Love to know how e2ee will work with this!