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HN could milk the whales by monetizing deleting your account and individual posts. The higher your karma, the more it costs.

jacquesm 3y ago
Hehe, don't give them any ideas. How are you otherwise? I should come and visit. Or you should come and visit. Or both!
- tough 3y ago
  If you really wanna, you can ask manually for deletion and they will do their best to comply if you justify why you need to delete it.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    It shouldn't need justification though. And it really should be automated. Apparently the YC lawyers are convinced that the current mechanism is GDPR compliant, I'm not so sure about that.
    - tough 3y ago
      I guess their lawyers ignore the GDPR because they are not a business doing business with europeans. If this forum had any kind of paid offerings this might differ, but what do you want, them to block the whole EU a la Threads/Bard? As I understand it, this is due to the limitations of current (mod) tools, and justification just means you have to provide a human for some good reason to do -free work- for you. Like fearing being doxxed or whatever. I dunno, I'm a happy member of this forum and I appreciate dang and how the moderation works here, it could be better and automated but this is a small niche tech forum after all and not some giant social media network
      - jacquesm 3y ago
        > I guess their lawyers ignore the GDPR because they are not a business doing business with europeans. That's not how the GDPR works. The GDPR does not kick in when there is a commercial transaction, it kicks in when you're talking about data, specifically data provided by EU subjects.
        tough 3y ago
        That's not how law works, you cannot force other countries to abide by your laws just because you say so, well you can if you're the US, and you say so (but there's also the subtle threat of physical violence if needed) YMMV
        jacquesm 3y ago
        > That's not how law works, you cannot force other countries to abide by your laws just because you say so No countries are forced, just corporate entities in those countries that aim to transact with EU citizens. And that's perfectly fine, lots of countries have laws like that on their books and ways to enforce them. The only people that tend to object are those that are part of the group that wishes to trample on the rights of the people whose data they collect.
        tpxl 3y ago
        YCombinator has business in Europe and thus is within reach of European legislation.
        tough 3y ago
        Well, they might fund business companies, I would really want to know if they do have any kind of presence as a business entity in Europe (think not) They will go even to great lengths to make European founders register as LLC's in Murica too, Investors security yadda yadda I don't see how that translates to doing business in europe tbh
        pacifika 3y ago
        That’s why the US and the EU have a data agreement. If I understand it correctly.
tough 3y ago
You can also actually just ask dang for it via email, and if you've good reasons for it they will remove it.
- petemir 3y ago
  Why should you have a good reason? It's your data, fullstop.
  - tough 3y ago
    Because there's no automated system, (and I guess, since there's not lots of requests, no need for it) And so for you to want to utilise a finite resource (moderation time) for something that should benefit you, you better have a good reason for it? Why should companies go above and beyond to comply with laws that don't affect their country or business doings? The only reason a US company might comply with EU directives, is if they plan to do business in the EU, not if they're storing data or not from an European citizen
    - adql 3y ago
      The content generated by you benefits the site tho

jacquesm 3y ago

Hehe, don't give them any ideas. How are you otherwise? I should come and visit. Or you should come and visit. Or both!

tough 3y ago
If you really wanna, you can ask manually for deletion and they will do their best to comply if you justify why you need to delete it.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  It shouldn't need justification though. And it really should be automated. Apparently the YC lawyers are convinced that the current mechanism is GDPR compliant, I'm not so sure about that.
  - tough 3y ago
    I guess their lawyers ignore the GDPR because they are not a business doing business with europeans. If this forum had any kind of paid offerings this might differ, but what do you want, them to block the whole EU a la Threads/Bard? As I understand it, this is due to the limitations of current (mod) tools, and justification just means you have to provide a human for some good reason to do -free work- for you. Like fearing being doxxed or whatever. I dunno, I'm a happy member of this forum and I appreciate dang and how the moderation works here, it could be better and automated but this is a small niche tech forum after all and not some giant social media network
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      > I guess their lawyers ignore the GDPR because they are not a business doing business with europeans. That's not how the GDPR works. The GDPR does not kick in when there is a commercial transaction, it kicks in when you're talking about data, specifically data provided by EU subjects.
      - tough 3y ago
        That's not how law works, you cannot force other countries to abide by your laws just because you say so, well you can if you're the US, and you say so (but there's also the subtle threat of physical violence if needed) YMMV
        jacquesm 3y ago
        > That's not how law works, you cannot force other countries to abide by your laws just because you say so No countries are forced, just corporate entities in those countries that aim to transact with EU citizens. And that's perfectly fine, lots of countries have laws like that on their books and ways to enforce them. The only people that tend to object are those that are part of the group that wishes to trample on the rights of the people whose data they collect.
        tpxl 3y ago
        YCombinator has business in Europe and thus is within reach of European legislation.
        tough 3y ago
        Well, they might fund business companies, I would really want to know if they do have any kind of presence as a business entity in Europe (think not) They will go even to great lengths to make European founders register as LLC's in Murica too, Investors security yadda yadda I don't see how that translates to doing business in europe tbh
        pacifika 3y ago
        That’s why the US and the EU have a data agreement. If I understand it correctly.

tough 3y ago

You can also actually just ask dang for it via email, and if you've good reasons for it they will remove it.

petemir 3y ago
Why should you have a good reason? It's your data, fullstop.
- tough 3y ago
  Because there's no automated system, (and I guess, since there's not lots of requests, no need for it) And so for you to want to utilise a finite resource (moderation time) for something that should benefit you, you better have a good reason for it? Why should companies go above and beyond to comply with laws that don't affect their country or business doings? The only reason a US company might comply with EU directives, is if they plan to do business in the EU, not if they're storing data or not from an European citizen
  - adql 3y ago
    The content generated by you benefits the site tho