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Of course Reddit is user hostile. - Can't use web version without getting the mobile version banner forced down your throat every other interaction. - Activel

Of course Reddit is user hostile. - Can't use web version without getting the mobile version banner forced down your throat every other interaction. - Actively making the non-app version worse than the mobile, for no reason other than engagement metrics. - Not able to view "NSFW" posts (of which everything is just false labeled as that) without logging in; even though it shows you the image on the timeline (the entire "NSFW" part) - a dark pattern / cheap tactic to drive sign up. And this is just to name a few, dark patterns are a plenty across their site. I won't go into the API side of things as others have said it better, and it seems you've already made your mind up there.

that_guy_iain 3y ago
That's not hostile. That's wanting you to use one version over the other. The fact you think if they don't support your desired version of using it over any other then it's hostile to you. The things you've mentioned aren't even dark patterns. One of them could be considered just a figament of your imagination. And one "Oh they make me log in to see porn" like really? Really?
- Daneel_ 3y ago
  I strongly disagree - this sort of activity by Reddit is almost textbook user hostility.
- aydyn 3y ago
  you cant be serious. I literally can no longer browse reddit, a uncomplicated web forum, on my ipad. I used to be able to. Its performance really is that bad. Actively making your webpage worse for mobile is not user hostile?
  - that_guy_iain 3y ago
    Buy a better iPad? I literally just booted up my iPad to check it out. It didn't force me to the app. It didn't even prompt me to use the app. It responded in a reasonable time. old.reddit.com worked and so did the new site. All I can take away from that is you're either very fussy to the point you complain about minor things like they're major problems. Or you just can't use a website on your iPad. There is no actively making a webpage worse. It's all in your head. "I don't like this so it's worse".
    - Tor3 3y ago
      Slowing down a service or server isn't fixed by getting faster client hardware!
      - gokaygurcan 3y ago
        Don't feed the troll.
        bloopernova 3y ago
        Thank you. People don't seem to recognize that someone replying so negatively and provocatively isn't engaging in good faith. They're either an idiot or a troll, and neither is worth the effort. Downvote, flag, move on.
        that_guy_iain 3y ago
        > People don't seem to recognize that someone replying so negatively and provocatively isn't engaging in good faith. People can disagree with you and be in good faith. It's a common tactic to say someone who disagrees with you but you can't prove wrong is engaging in bad faith. Let's have a solid look at this interaction. * Someone says Reddit is user hostile. * I claim it's not. * Someone claim's they're actively making the website worse. A claim that can't be backed up. * Same person claims requiring people to login to acces to content marked for 18+ is hostile. This is an absurd claim. A website shouldn't have any measure to ensure a user is old enough to access the content they're legally required to ensure they're old enough to access? * Someone claims that they can't use the website on their iPad. I boot up my cheap iPad and use it quite easily. I didn't even get prompts I expected to get that would tell me to use the app. I used both new and old versions. I assume the person isn't lying and that if they're unable to use it it's because their hardware oboslete. * Various people claim trying to get people to use your app over a website is hostile. Really, having a preferred way to use your site is hostile? All the other methods are available even old.reddit.com which should be discontinued. So while continuing to provide multiple user interfaces and supporting older ones to make users happy. They claim they're hostile. The reality is, the evidence doesn't back up the claims. To claim I'm either an idiot or a troll engaging in bad faith really is the height of bad manners. Reddit isn't hostile to it's users. It has users that are hostile to it. People who feel so entitled to a free site that they think any attempt to make it better for users who aren't them is hostile. Absolute entitlement. The tech community is one of the most entitled communties I've seen.
  - paulcole 3y ago
    That doesn’t seem to be literally true because I’m on my iPad and have Reddit open in another tab. Sometimes I use the narwhal app and sometimes I use the official Reddit app as well. You may not like using Reddit on your iPad but that’s a you problem.
- nullandvoid 3y ago
  It's the very definition of user hostility. They are forcing me to install the app for no good reason other than increased engagement. I don't want to use the app and all the rubbish that comes with it, the website has worked fine for the last 10+ years, and continues to on desktop. > "The things you've mentioned aren't even dark patterns. One of them could be considered just a figament of your imagination. And one "Oh they make me log in to see porn" like really? Really?" I see you decided to completely ignore what I wrote and twist it into something else, to repeat; - NSFW posts are majority NOT porn but normal posts - They already show you the image on the timeline - so stopping the post from loading after clicking, and instead showing sign up CTA's is nothing but a dark pattern / cheap trick to drive sign ups. Again, dark patterns / cheap tricks are user hostile.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  >That's not hostile. That's wanting you to use one version over the other user hostile:"A play on the common term "user-friendly", a user-hostile design is one that is, deliberately or accidentally, difficult or cumbersome for the intended user." Yes, I would consider disabling all controls on the mobile page to turn a simple webpage of comments into an ad for the app as "user hostile". A deliberate one, even. >And one "Oh they make me log in to see porn" like really? Really? If they had proper NSFW filters that separated porn from violence from "oh the post had the word 'fuck' in it" from "not even NSFW but the movie is rated R so may as well be safe", I may be inclined to agree. Alas, proper NSFW granularity is another feature long ask for and never given.

that_guy_iain 3y ago

That's not hostile. That's wanting you to use one version over the other. The fact you think if they don't support your desired version of using it over any other then it's hostile to you. The things you've mentioned aren't even dark patterns. One of them could be considered just a figament of your imagination. And one "Oh they make me log in to see porn" like really? Really?

Daneel_ 3y ago
I strongly disagree - this sort of activity by Reddit is almost textbook user hostility.
aydyn 3y ago
you cant be serious. I literally can no longer browse reddit, a uncomplicated web forum, on my ipad. I used to be able to. Its performance really is that bad. Actively making your webpage worse for mobile is not user hostile?
- that_guy_iain 3y ago
  Buy a better iPad? I literally just booted up my iPad to check it out. It didn't force me to the app. It didn't even prompt me to use the app. It responded in a reasonable time. old.reddit.com worked and so did the new site. All I can take away from that is you're either very fussy to the point you complain about minor things like they're major problems. Or you just can't use a website on your iPad. There is no actively making a webpage worse. It's all in your head. "I don't like this so it's worse".
  - Tor3 3y ago
    Slowing down a service or server isn't fixed by getting faster client hardware!
    - gokaygurcan 3y ago
      Don't feed the troll.
      - bloopernova 3y ago
        Thank you. People don't seem to recognize that someone replying so negatively and provocatively isn't engaging in good faith. They're either an idiot or a troll, and neither is worth the effort. Downvote, flag, move on.
        that_guy_iain 3y ago
        > People don't seem to recognize that someone replying so negatively and provocatively isn't engaging in good faith. People can disagree with you and be in good faith. It's a common tactic to say someone who disagrees with you but you can't prove wrong is engaging in bad faith. Let's have a solid look at this interaction. * Someone says Reddit is user hostile. * I claim it's not. * Someone claim's they're actively making the website worse. A claim that can't be backed up. * Same person claims requiring people to login to acces to content marked for 18+ is hostile. This is an absurd claim. A website shouldn't have any measure to ensure a user is old enough to access the content they're legally required to ensure they're old enough to access? * Someone claims that they can't use the website on their iPad. I boot up my cheap iPad and use it quite easily. I didn't even get prompts I expected to get that would tell me to use the app. I used both new and old versions. I assume the person isn't lying and that if they're unable to use it it's because their hardware oboslete. * Various people claim trying to get people to use your app over a website is hostile. Really, having a preferred way to use your site is hostile? All the other methods are available even old.reddit.com which should be discontinued. So while continuing to provide multiple user interfaces and supporting older ones to make users happy. They claim they're hostile. The reality is, the evidence doesn't back up the claims. To claim I'm either an idiot or a troll engaging in bad faith really is the height of bad manners. Reddit isn't hostile to it's users. It has users that are hostile to it. People who feel so entitled to a free site that they think any attempt to make it better for users who aren't them is hostile. Absolute entitlement. The tech community is one of the most entitled communties I've seen.
- paulcole 3y ago
  That doesn’t seem to be literally true because I’m on my iPad and have Reddit open in another tab. Sometimes I use the narwhal app and sometimes I use the official Reddit app as well. You may not like using Reddit on your iPad but that’s a you problem.
nullandvoid 3y ago
It's the very definition of user hostility. They are forcing me to install the app for no good reason other than increased engagement. I don't want to use the app and all the rubbish that comes with it, the website has worked fine for the last 10+ years, and continues to on desktop. > "The things you've mentioned aren't even dark patterns. One of them could be considered just a figament of your imagination. And one "Oh they make me log in to see porn" like really? Really?" I see you decided to completely ignore what I wrote and twist it into something else, to repeat; - NSFW posts are majority NOT porn but normal posts - They already show you the image on the timeline - so stopping the post from loading after clicking, and instead showing sign up CTA's is nothing but a dark pattern / cheap trick to drive sign ups. Again, dark patterns / cheap tricks are user hostile.
johnnyanmac 3y ago
>That's not hostile. That's wanting you to use one version over the other user hostile:"A play on the common term "user-friendly", a user-hostile design is one that is, deliberately or accidentally, difficult or cumbersome for the intended user." Yes, I would consider disabling all controls on the mobile page to turn a simple webpage of comments into an ad for the app as "user hostile". A deliberate one, even. >And one "Oh they make me log in to see porn" like really? Really? If they had proper NSFW filters that separated porn from violence from "oh the post had the word 'fuck' in it" from "not even NSFW but the movie is rated R so may as well be safe", I may be inclined to agree. Alas, proper NSFW granularity is another feature long ask for and never given.