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So in Scotland they speak Scottish-English? Irish-english in Ireland? What's your proficiency in these languages ?
by Glawen 3y ago
So in Scotland they speak Scottish-English? Irish-english in Ireland?
What's your proficiency in these languages ?
- bombolo 3y agogermans can't understand swiss german.
- Glawen 3y agoPretty much doubt it.
- bjoli 3y agoAs a German speaker that has worked in Zürich, the parent is correct. Wikipedia has the following to say: The dialects that comprise Swiss German must not be confused with Swiss Standard German, the variety of Standard German used in Switzerland. Swiss Standard German is fully understandable to all speakers of Standard German, while many people in Germany – especially in the north – do not understand Swiss German.
- bombolo 3y agoAre you a german speaker who has ever been in switzerland?
- palata 3y agoI don't know about Scottish-English and Irish-English, to be honest. Would an English native understand them? Germans don't understand Swiss-German, and Swiss-Germans don't consider German as their mother tongue. Whereas the French being spoken on the French part of Switzerland is slightly different from the French from France, but people still consider that French is their mother tongue. Not sure if that answers your question, or if you were just complaining about the fact that I made a difference between German and Swiss-German :-).
- walthamstow 3y ago> Would an English native understand them? Depends where in Scotland and how much they've had to drink. On a serious note, words like ken, bairn, breekies, stramash are not that well understood by English people. But it's unlikely a Scot would use them when talking to an Englishman.
- palata 3y agoRight. But is it then that a Scot would just not use some local words, but still speak in their language? That's different with Swiss-German. If a Swiss-German person talks to you in German, then they are not talking in their language.
- benj111 3y agoDepends where in England. Bairn is northern English too.
- Glawen 3y agoI learnt German in Germany, and I understand the Swiss. When you are waiting 4h to cross the gottard tunnel, you have plenty of time to listen to the radio. It is hard to understand just like any dialect when you are not used to it, but I would not call it a different language. It is very unlike a French hearing Italian even though it is the same Latin root and words look the same on paper, grammatically it is very different.
- palata 3y ago> and I understand the Swiss Apparently not enough to learn that nobody in Switzerland would ever call that "the Swiss"? There is not even "one Swiss-German". > grammatically it is very different. In your 4h in the Gotthard tunnel, did you get to see how Swiss-German is written differently than German? Also the grammar is fairly different. But yeah those are dialects, nobody said they weren't. I just said "they don't speak German, but Swiss-German" (more as a "fun fact" than trying to be pedantic), and they would definitely correct you if you said it is the same. Whereas a Suisse Romand (the French speaking Swiss) will tell you that they speak French, just like a French-Canadian from Quebec.
- ekianjo 3y agoJust like Quebecois is not really French
- palata 3y agoHmm, I would still say that Quebecois is French, but with some (maybe many) local words. Swiss-German is really a dialect (actually multiple dialects).
- fakedang 3y agoWeekend in Quebecois: Le fin du semaine Weekend in French: Le weekend
- palata 3y agonitpick: "La fin de semaine" ;) Those are all perfectly valid French words, but the meaning is slightly different ("la fin de semaine" in France may include Thursday/Friday, whereas in Quebec it's really for Saturday and Sunday (instead of "weekend")).
- ekianjo 3y agoboyfriend in quebecois: chum boyfriend in French: petit ami it goes both ways you know. in practice I find quebecois much more infected by anglicism.
- anakaine 3y agoThey need not be proficient to understand that Swiss German is distinctly different from German. Its reasonably common knowledge. Swiss German is based around Alemannic dialects rendering it often and frequently unintelligible to traditional German speakers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_German https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_German
- Glawen 3y agoIt is a dialect, written form is German. It is like hearing French spoken in sub Saharan Africa, it is hard to grasp but eventually you get it
- bombolo 3y agoFrench and Sicilian are dialects of Latin. Do you think French people can travel to Sicily and start chatting?
- benj111 3y agoOn the other hand my gf is from Mallorca and they have their own language distinct from Spanish. And she understands more french than me because it's closely related. Not enough to have a conversation though.
- palata 3y ago> it is hard to grasp but eventually you get it If by "eventually you get it" you mean "after putting enough effort into learning it", then yes. But that's the same for every language. If you mean "you need a few hours to get used to it and then you understand almost everything", then... well... not at all.
- lapinot 3y ago> It is a dialect, written form is German. Both things are wrong. It's not a dialect in the sense that it is not the same language with special intonation, some new words and new idiomatic sentences. It has its own (much simpler) conjugation and declension scheme. Much closer in feel to a creole. Its written form is also not german. Good luck reading some of the züri by mike comic strips as a german reader.