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I thought everybody hates advertising, no? Let's do a thought experiment and imagine Elon brought more advertising on Twitter. Everyone would bullshit on him fo

I thought everybody hates advertising, no? Let's do a thought experiment and imagine Elon brought more advertising on Twitter. Everyone would bullshit on him for that. In reality, we have the opposite situation. There is less advertising. On top of that, ad revenue is now being shared with creators. What's bad about it?

lettergram 3y ago
This is kind of a selling point to me, I can’t use Facebook any more because the obscene number of ads.
paulryanrogers 3y ago
My day job is helping sell ad-free, subscriptions, so I'm a fan of the idea. That said, Elon is driving away the lucrative advertisers and not dropping ads entirely. Even Blue subscribers still get ads, albeit fewer. At their scale and in their market the premium subscriptions model doesn't appear to work, unless their costs can be reduced much, much further. Sharing revenue with creators is great. Not everything being done is bad. On the whole it just doesn't seem sustainable and sometimes even petty and foolish. Almost appears as if he's trying to bankrupt the company.
- andreygrehov 3y ago
  The Twitter acquisition happened 7 months ago, on October 27, 2022 to be precise. 7 months is effectively 3 quarters. Let's take "Elon Musk" name out of the equation for a moment. How much do you think is possible to do with one of the largest social network companies in the world within 3 quarters? I work at AWS and I must say everything is really slow here. What I'm trying to say is it seems like the world is "demanding" too much from Elon. Additionally, there is a weird trend of people rooting for his failure. This is something I strongly stand against.
  - rglullis 3y ago
    Why should we be rooting for his success? Why would I want to live in a world where "a superapp" is needed? Why would I want to live in a world where you have one company in control of the "town square"? Personally, I just wanted Twitter to fail because I think that any ad-funded business is bad for us. But if you tell me that Elon's long term game is to make it something even more dystopian than it ever was, then yes I will do everything in my power to see him fail and fail catastrophically.
    - andreygrehov 3y ago
      > Why should we be rooting for his success? Rooting for someone's success is not about personal preferences or endorsing their actions. It's about fostering a positive and supportive environment that encourages growth and achievement. > Why would I want to live in a world where "a superapp" is needed? Super-apps already exist in other markets. Entrepreneurs want to create ones in the US market to foster the diversity of options. This is a healthy process. You live in the world with wars, but you want to do everything in your power to see Twitter fail. That's strange. A world catered only to your preferences is unlikely, so you have to be realistic. > Why would I want to live in a world where you have one company in control of the "town square"? I don't know. You don't have to live in that town. > Personally, I just wanted Twitter to fail because I think that any ad-funded business is bad for us. Pretty much every business in the world is driven by ads, one way or another. However, as I said, Musk doesn't care about ads. In fact, he wants even fewer ads on Twitter. That being said, his goals kinda align with what you want.
      - rglullis 3y ago
        > It's about fostering a positive and supportive environment that encourages growth and achievement. Not when this "growth" and "achievement" is something that affects part of the society negatively, or when there might be unknown consequences. > Super-apps already exist in other markets. And they are enablers of authoritarian states and continuous centralized power over a handful of corporations. > You don't have to live in that town. Just on another thread I was being accused of being "socially inept" for refusing to use WhatsApp. If we live in a world where so much power is centralized into a few corporations, they affect everyone's lives, even if they don't participate directly on it. > Pretty much every business in the world is driven by ads Does it help you sleep at night to be telling yourself this kind of bullshit, or are you just apathetic? > he wants even fewer ads on Twitter. You forgot to capitalize your Lord's name.
  - watwut 3y ago
    >What I'm trying to say is it seems like the world is "demanding" too much from Elon. Like, common he set expectations by himself. He was the one bragging and running his mouth how everyone before him was an idiot while he is going to clean and fix the place. > Additionally, there is a weird trend of people rooting for his failure. This is something I strongly stand against. I really really hope for failure of his, quite apparent, political project.
- andreygrehov 3y ago
  Also, Paul, if you think Elon is doing something completely wrong, I encourage you to jump on Twitter Spaces and explain your concerns directly to him. He is live from time to time and happily chimes into a conversation with mere mortals.
  - spacemadness 3y ago
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bluefishinit 3y ago
> There is less advertising. There's way more ads. Now every blue checkmark tweet is an ad, paid for placement. So I click on a tweet and all I get are pages of ads with the real tweets buried at the bottom. Ads aside, there are host of other ways he's ruined twitter from censorship to blocking anon access to amplifying his own terrible tweets.

lettergram 3y ago

This is kind of a selling point to me, I can’t use Facebook any more because the obscene number of ads.

paulryanrogers 3y ago

My day job is helping sell ad-free, subscriptions, so I'm a fan of the idea. That said, Elon is driving away the lucrative advertisers and not dropping ads entirely. Even Blue subscribers still get ads, albeit fewer. At their scale and in their market the premium subscriptions model doesn't appear to work, unless their costs can be reduced much, much further. Sharing revenue with creators is great. Not everything being done is bad. On the whole it just doesn't seem sustainable and sometimes even petty and foolish. Almost appears as if he's trying to bankrupt the company.

andreygrehov 3y ago
The Twitter acquisition happened 7 months ago, on October 27, 2022 to be precise. 7 months is effectively 3 quarters. Let's take "Elon Musk" name out of the equation for a moment. How much do you think is possible to do with one of the largest social network companies in the world within 3 quarters? I work at AWS and I must say everything is really slow here. What I'm trying to say is it seems like the world is "demanding" too much from Elon. Additionally, there is a weird trend of people rooting for his failure. This is something I strongly stand against.
- rglullis 3y ago
  Why should we be rooting for his success? Why would I want to live in a world where "a superapp" is needed? Why would I want to live in a world where you have one company in control of the "town square"? Personally, I just wanted Twitter to fail because I think that any ad-funded business is bad for us. But if you tell me that Elon's long term game is to make it something even more dystopian than it ever was, then yes I will do everything in my power to see him fail and fail catastrophically.
  - andreygrehov 3y ago
    > Why should we be rooting for his success? Rooting for someone's success is not about personal preferences or endorsing their actions. It's about fostering a positive and supportive environment that encourages growth and achievement. > Why would I want to live in a world where "a superapp" is needed? Super-apps already exist in other markets. Entrepreneurs want to create ones in the US market to foster the diversity of options. This is a healthy process. You live in the world with wars, but you want to do everything in your power to see Twitter fail. That's strange. A world catered only to your preferences is unlikely, so you have to be realistic. > Why would I want to live in a world where you have one company in control of the "town square"? I don't know. You don't have to live in that town. > Personally, I just wanted Twitter to fail because I think that any ad-funded business is bad for us. Pretty much every business in the world is driven by ads, one way or another. However, as I said, Musk doesn't care about ads. In fact, he wants even fewer ads on Twitter. That being said, his goals kinda align with what you want.
    - rglullis 3y ago
      > It's about fostering a positive and supportive environment that encourages growth and achievement. Not when this "growth" and "achievement" is something that affects part of the society negatively, or when there might be unknown consequences. > Super-apps already exist in other markets. And they are enablers of authoritarian states and continuous centralized power over a handful of corporations. > You don't have to live in that town. Just on another thread I was being accused of being "socially inept" for refusing to use WhatsApp. If we live in a world where so much power is centralized into a few corporations, they affect everyone's lives, even if they don't participate directly on it. > Pretty much every business in the world is driven by ads Does it help you sleep at night to be telling yourself this kind of bullshit, or are you just apathetic? > he wants even fewer ads on Twitter. You forgot to capitalize your Lord's name.
- watwut 3y ago
  >What I'm trying to say is it seems like the world is "demanding" too much from Elon. Like, common he set expectations by himself. He was the one bragging and running his mouth how everyone before him was an idiot while he is going to clean and fix the place. > Additionally, there is a weird trend of people rooting for his failure. This is something I strongly stand against. I really really hope for failure of his, quite apparent, political project.
andreygrehov 3y ago
Also, Paul, if you think Elon is doing something completely wrong, I encourage you to jump on Twitter Spaces and explain your concerns directly to him. He is live from time to time and happily chimes into a conversation with mere mortals.
- spacemadness 3y ago
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bluefishinit 3y ago

> There is less advertising. There's way more ads. Now every blue checkmark tweet is an ad, paid for placement. So I click on a tweet and all I get are pages of ads with the real tweets buried at the bottom. Ads aside, there are host of other ways he's ruined twitter from censorship to blocking anon access to amplifying his own terrible tweets.