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She probably did not pay too much attention to the names of the spreadsheet functions on the phone that she briefly touched to film a commercial. It's obviously

She probably did not pay too much attention to the names of the spreadsheet functions on the phone that she briefly touched to film a commercial. It's obviously not "being proud of ignorance" or anything like that.

gardenhedge 3y ago
Firstly, how do you not know what Microsoft Excel is? Secondly, she's the one who is using it and is the focus of the memes she is talking about.. and she still doesn't just look it up.
- killerdhmo 3y ago
  lol a lot of normal people don't know what Excel is.
- gonzo41 3y ago
  Because she's got a life and better things to do.
  - gardenhedge 3y ago
    She's in conversations about it though and still doesn't know..
- petsfed 3y ago
  Thanks to e.g. Google Sheets, excel itself doesn't dominate the market like it used to. Beyond that, I've had a litany of jobs where I had zero reason to ever use a spreadsheet, one of which was one where I actually sold Microsoft Office licenses. For a great many folks, the only time they may have encountered spreadsheet software at all was in a school computer literacy class, and even then...
  - SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
    Maybe I have grown out of being in Windows world for awhile and am biased, but it does seem like 2023 Excel is less ubiquitous in cultural mindshare than 2007 Excel. There’s probably a lot of factors contributing to that.
- legostormtroopr 3y ago
  Taking a generous perspective - her job is a musical artist. Unless you are in her industry, there are probably tons of things she knows about you and I don't - like good brands of music sheets, mixing desks or microphones. Excel is known, by a certain selection of office workers.
- croes 3y ago
  According to the post she's using Sheet not Excel
- gmadsen 3y ago
  well microsoft says there is 750 million users of excel globally. So potentially 90% of the world?
  - sonicshadow 3y ago
    9%
    - gmadsen 3y ago
      I was answering the inverse. If 9% use, then 91% don't
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > Firstly, how do you not know what Microsoft Excel is? By not being in a office-work career field.
- xdavidliu 3y ago
  I suspect this "how do you not know Excel" sentiment is psychologically similar to people in the US (where I live) telling others to "speak English" instead of their native language.
  - gardenhedge 3y ago
    You're incorrect and you're just ignoring the second part of my comment too.
    - sonicshadow 3y ago
      > You’re incorrect Good argument
- kube-system 3y ago
  > how do you not know what Microsoft Excel is? She signed a record deal at age 14, back at a time when knowing how to power on a computer was seen as a specialized office skill. > she's the one who is using it She isn't a director, and likely had no role in preparing props.
wvenable 3y ago
The inside shot of the phone wasn't even her -- the phone probably wasn't even powered on when she was handling it. She just has better things to do than care about something this stupid.
- gmt2027 3y ago
  Any celebrity should familiarise themselves with the companies and products they endorse. If all they can manage is to do so at a superficial level, they should seriously consider declining. It is just amazing that society rewards such a lack of integrity.
  - filoleg 3y ago
    > Any celebrity should familiarise themselves with the companies and products they endorse. There is a difference between endorsing a product and acting in an ad for a product. The latter is an acted out sketch. To be ultra-pedantic, one can same the same (just in a different way) for paid endorsements. But I hope the factual difference between the two is obvious enough to not need further explanation.
    - gmt2027 3y ago
      I do not believe the line is so clear cut for a recognisable face. Brands seek out these celebrities and pay a premium for the aura. The endorsement is implicit. Consider that the relationship works both ways, the celebrity's own brand is tarnished by involvement with a product hit by scandal. See the celebrities that promoted FTX as an example. It is in their own interest to do some due diligence. Conversely, the ads would be dropped if the celebrity actor became toxic. If Kelly Rowland made Kanye-style comments about Nazis or Jews, the ad would be buried. Are Kevin Spacey ads still airing? The entire celebrity/influencer marketing system intentionally exploits a failure mode of human cognitive bias for profit. Transactional endorsements are morally bankrupt. A family member or friend that blindly recommended a product or service for pay would lose respect for that breach of trust. Celebrities that people respect should be held to the same or higher standards. Consider this, if John Carmack regularly did ads playing a generic software engineer at BigCo and it turned out he didn't even know what the products were, would this community hold him in the same high regard?
arp242 3y ago
In that interview she is definitely "proud" not knowing what Excel is. Not knowing what Excel is is fine. Being proud of it is not.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  If you walked into her music studio would you know what every piece of equipment does? Would you be ashamed of admitting you didn’t? How much do you even know about music theory or dance choreography?
  - arpa 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - arpa 3y ago
      /s obviously
  - arp242 3y ago
    That doesn't connect with that video or my commentary about it in the slightest. If I did something wrong with a flofof in public, and people comment and ask my about my wrong usage of a flofof for years, and I respond with "bitch, I don't know what a flofof is, and I don't want to know, looollll, keepin' it real bro!" then I'd be a right idiot – not for doing something wrong with a flofof, or not immediately knowing what a flofof is, but for not WANTING to know and making a show out of not knowing. This is performative idiocy.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      It implies that directly. I work in cloud consulting. I have my specialties and I know a little about the other areas. Heck, I just did a CI/CD proof of concept where the company was using Java Docker containers. I don’t know Java at all and haven’t done anything in Java in two decades (I’m a .Net, Python, JavaScript guy) I used ChatGPT to help me create a simple Java Spring Boot app in a Docker container with JUnit tests. I freely admitted I don’t know Java and that I used ChatGPT to do Java parts. That’s not what I was brought in for just like she wasn’t brought in to do Excel. ChatGPT propped me up just like her producers propped her up and brought her in to do a role. If I found out that my little dummy POC HelloWorld Java/Springboot Docker container “did something wrong”, do you think I would give two fucks? Do you think I would care enough to learn Java? My job to be done was not to write a Java app, it was to teach them how to implement a CI/CD process to deliver their apps to production.

gardenhedge 3y ago

Firstly, how do you not know what Microsoft Excel is? Secondly, she's the one who is using it and is the focus of the memes she is talking about.. and she still doesn't just look it up.

killerdhmo 3y ago
lol a lot of normal people don't know what Excel is.
gonzo41 3y ago
Because she's got a life and better things to do.
- gardenhedge 3y ago
  She's in conversations about it though and still doesn't know..
petsfed 3y ago
Thanks to e.g. Google Sheets, excel itself doesn't dominate the market like it used to. Beyond that, I've had a litany of jobs where I had zero reason to ever use a spreadsheet, one of which was one where I actually sold Microsoft Office licenses. For a great many folks, the only time they may have encountered spreadsheet software at all was in a school computer literacy class, and even then...
- SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
  Maybe I have grown out of being in Windows world for awhile and am biased, but it does seem like 2023 Excel is less ubiquitous in cultural mindshare than 2007 Excel. There’s probably a lot of factors contributing to that.
legostormtroopr 3y ago
Taking a generous perspective - her job is a musical artist. Unless you are in her industry, there are probably tons of things she knows about you and I don't - like good brands of music sheets, mixing desks or microphones. Excel is known, by a certain selection of office workers.
croes 3y ago
According to the post she's using Sheet not Excel
gmadsen 3y ago
well microsoft says there is 750 million users of excel globally. So potentially 90% of the world?
- sonicshadow 3y ago
  9%
  - gmadsen 3y ago
    I was answering the inverse. If 9% use, then 91% don't
dragonwriter 3y ago
> Firstly, how do you not know what Microsoft Excel is? By not being in a office-work career field.
xdavidliu 3y ago
I suspect this "how do you not know Excel" sentiment is psychologically similar to people in the US (where I live) telling others to "speak English" instead of their native language.
- gardenhedge 3y ago
  You're incorrect and you're just ignoring the second part of my comment too.
  - sonicshadow 3y ago
    > You’re incorrect Good argument
kube-system 3y ago
> how do you not know what Microsoft Excel is? She signed a record deal at age 14, back at a time when knowing how to power on a computer was seen as a specialized office skill. > she's the one who is using it She isn't a director, and likely had no role in preparing props.

wvenable 3y ago

The inside shot of the phone wasn't even her -- the phone probably wasn't even powered on when she was handling it. She just has better things to do than care about something this stupid.

gmt2027 3y ago
Any celebrity should familiarise themselves with the companies and products they endorse. If all they can manage is to do so at a superficial level, they should seriously consider declining. It is just amazing that society rewards such a lack of integrity.
- filoleg 3y ago
  > Any celebrity should familiarise themselves with the companies and products they endorse. There is a difference between endorsing a product and acting in an ad for a product. The latter is an acted out sketch. To be ultra-pedantic, one can same the same (just in a different way) for paid endorsements. But I hope the factual difference between the two is obvious enough to not need further explanation.
  - gmt2027 3y ago
    I do not believe the line is so clear cut for a recognisable face. Brands seek out these celebrities and pay a premium for the aura. The endorsement is implicit. Consider that the relationship works both ways, the celebrity's own brand is tarnished by involvement with a product hit by scandal. See the celebrities that promoted FTX as an example. It is in their own interest to do some due diligence. Conversely, the ads would be dropped if the celebrity actor became toxic. If Kelly Rowland made Kanye-style comments about Nazis or Jews, the ad would be buried. Are Kevin Spacey ads still airing? The entire celebrity/influencer marketing system intentionally exploits a failure mode of human cognitive bias for profit. Transactional endorsements are morally bankrupt. A family member or friend that blindly recommended a product or service for pay would lose respect for that breach of trust. Celebrities that people respect should be held to the same or higher standards. Consider this, if John Carmack regularly did ads playing a generic software engineer at BigCo and it turned out he didn't even know what the products were, would this community hold him in the same high regard?

arp242 3y ago

In that interview she is definitely "proud" not knowing what Excel is. Not knowing what Excel is is fine. Being proud of it is not.

scarface_74 3y ago
If you walked into her music studio would you know what every piece of equipment does? Would you be ashamed of admitting you didn’t? How much do you even know about music theory or dance choreography?
- arpa 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - arpa 3y ago
    /s obviously
- arp242 3y ago
  That doesn't connect with that video or my commentary about it in the slightest. If I did something wrong with a flofof in public, and people comment and ask my about my wrong usage of a flofof for years, and I respond with "bitch, I don't know what a flofof is, and I don't want to know, looollll, keepin' it real bro!" then I'd be a right idiot – not for doing something wrong with a flofof, or not immediately knowing what a flofof is, but for not WANTING to know and making a show out of not knowing. This is performative idiocy.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    It implies that directly. I work in cloud consulting. I have my specialties and I know a little about the other areas. Heck, I just did a CI/CD proof of concept where the company was using Java Docker containers. I don’t know Java at all and haven’t done anything in Java in two decades (I’m a .Net, Python, JavaScript guy) I used ChatGPT to help me create a simple Java Spring Boot app in a Docker container with JUnit tests. I freely admitted I don’t know Java and that I used ChatGPT to do Java parts. That’s not what I was brought in for just like she wasn’t brought in to do Excel. ChatGPT propped me up just like her producers propped her up and brought her in to do a role. If I found out that my little dummy POC HelloWorld Java/Springboot Docker container “did something wrong”, do you think I would give two fucks? Do you think I would care enough to learn Java? My job to be done was not to write a Java app, it was to teach them how to implement a CI/CD process to deliver their apps to production.