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Right, but the DMCA is an American law. It's irrelevant in France.

capitainenemo 3y ago
Kind of assuming the lawyer or whoever formulated the complaint spoke english... would make sense if there was a translation of a legal request, that the original and the translation be included. In case of errors if nothing else.
p-e-w 3y ago
The only countries where American law is irrelevant are Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran. Go anywhere else, and on closer examination you'll find that American law is in fact very relevant, with local governments often bending over backwards to accommodate US legal provisions. Copyright, financial regulation, and international travel are some of the areas where this is usually apparent, but far from the only ones.
- DropInIn 3y ago
  Reciprocity is the term in play
  - DropInIn 3y ago
    Folks.... It's literally called a Reciprocity Agreement.... Most developed nations have them with each other... It's how we can make sure murderers and other criminals can't just run across borders to escape justice....
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago
  Pretty much yeah. The US is quite strong at throwing its weight around its areas of influence to enforce laws favorable to their corporations, otherwise they put you on the naughty list (US Special 301 report) and you could start seeing trade restrictions come your way. It's how they managed to get RARBG taken down all they way in Bulgaria.
  - katbyte 3y ago
    Is that actually why RARBG was taken down? Because their notice did not mention that. The only reasons I’ve heard have been deaths, health issues/Covid, and the war in Ukraine
    - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
      Sure, but the truth is they had no choice but to shut down after their life was made ever increasingly harder running a torrent website in a country where authorities were passing stricter anti-piracy laws and started going harder after pirates, after the US and the big movie and games studios started putting pressure on Bulgaria. Same thing happened in Romania a couple of years earlier where the original domain of the Filelist torrent tracker was seized. Are you ok with loosing sleep over the risk of going to prison or going bankrupt fighting trillion dollar movie studios in court for your famous torrent tracker side-project? Check US Special 301 report, Romania and Bulgaria were on the US naughty list, and had travel warnings issued for them, despite being safer countries than the US and also important NATO members in the region, with the reason given in that report that US entertainment piracy is rampant in the region lol. The big US movie studios cand leverage the US gov influence to put pressure on other countries to crack down on piracy. That's how strong they are. I remember the good ol' days in Romania when piracy was absolutely rampant that you would see ads in the city about ordering CDs and DVDs with quality pirated content through the mail, then we joined NATO, then suddenly anti-piracy laws became way stricter. You gotta play by Uncle Sams's rules if you join his playpen.
      - katbyte 3y ago
        ok so you don't have any other actual information or source to contradict the official reasons other then some assumptions and what you think was going to happen.
      - vldx 3y ago
        RARBG was not accessible from within Bulgaria. Most people haven’t even heard of it.
- zirgs 3y ago
  This is the problem with the so-called "multipolar world". There aren't any other democratic poles. So - if you're a dissident or a whistleblower and you're too high-profile - you have nowhwere to go. Snowden has to live in Russia, because pretty much all Western countries would put him on the first plane to the USA if he ever tried to enter. My country extradites even our own citizens to the USA.
  - sealeck 3y ago
    And then you get countries like France where they refuse to extradite probable child sex offenders.
    - abwizz 3y ago
      everybody is a "probable child sex offender", so there is no ground to extradite.
      - anon____ 3y ago
        I think he meant convicted child rapists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski_sexual_abuse_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski_sexual_abuse_ca....
        boondoggle16 3y ago
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        skissane 3y ago
        > so strange, that man isn't even french any more than harvey weinstein or jeffrey epstein Polanski was born in Paris; both Weinstein and Epstein were born in New York City.
        boondoggle16 3y ago
        They're Jewish.
- vasco 3y ago
  Biggest army in the world, also the only reason most of europe has freedom today and not a german dictatorship is the US in WW2. This is something europeans forget when complaining about "outsized" US influence but then also don't invest in defense and keep being safe just by the grace of the US. This comes with a price. PS: I'm from europe
  - calcifer 3y ago
    > the only reason most of europe has freedom today and not a german dictatorship is the US in WW2 That thought is the result of decades of successful US propaganda. The people who actually lived through WW2 in Europe thought different. This poll [1] asked: "In your opinion, which nation contributed the most to Hitler's defeat?" [1] https://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/sondage-nation-contribue-defaite-nazis-2.jpg https://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/sondage...
    - vasco 3y ago
      So you agree that somehow the US has a stranglehold on Europe if they were able to make the continent believe what you say is a lie. Maybe you don't think it comes from WW2 or them having the biggest army, but then what is your explanation? Europe bends over just because? The USA has military bases all over Europe with people and missiles. That started with WW2. How would they not have huge influence on what we do? No european country has a random military base in Ohio or whatever.
      - calcifer 3y ago
        > but then what is your explanation? Decades of Holywood propaganda and related American cultural exports. There is a reason the Pentagon gives free access to military equipment to Holywood studios, but only if the military is depicted positively / in a heroic manner.
        vasco 3y ago
        You think Europe lets the US dictate policy and enforce extradition because of... Hollywood? And not because of the position the US has on the world stage by having the biggest army and the world currency? Because that's the argument I'm making.
- deleted 3y ago
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Kind of assuming the lawyer or whoever formulated the complaint spoke english... would make sense if there was a translation of a legal request, that the original and the translation be included. In case of errors if nothing else.

p-e-w 3y ago

The only countries where American law is irrelevant are Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran. Go anywhere else, and on closer examination you'll find that American law is in fact very relevant, with local governments often bending over backwards to accommodate US legal provisions. Copyright, financial regulation, and international travel are some of the areas where this is usually apparent, but far from the only ones.

DropInIn 3y ago
Reciprocity is the term in play
- DropInIn 3y ago
  Folks.... It's literally called a Reciprocity Agreement.... Most developed nations have them with each other... It's how we can make sure murderers and other criminals can't just run across borders to escape justice....
ChuckNorris89 3y ago
Pretty much yeah. The US is quite strong at throwing its weight around its areas of influence to enforce laws favorable to their corporations, otherwise they put you on the naughty list (US Special 301 report) and you could start seeing trade restrictions come your way. It's how they managed to get RARBG taken down all they way in Bulgaria.
- katbyte 3y ago
  Is that actually why RARBG was taken down? Because their notice did not mention that. The only reasons I’ve heard have been deaths, health issues/Covid, and the war in Ukraine
  - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
    Sure, but the truth is they had no choice but to shut down after their life was made ever increasingly harder running a torrent website in a country where authorities were passing stricter anti-piracy laws and started going harder after pirates, after the US and the big movie and games studios started putting pressure on Bulgaria. Same thing happened in Romania a couple of years earlier where the original domain of the Filelist torrent tracker was seized. Are you ok with loosing sleep over the risk of going to prison or going bankrupt fighting trillion dollar movie studios in court for your famous torrent tracker side-project? Check US Special 301 report, Romania and Bulgaria were on the US naughty list, and had travel warnings issued for them, despite being safer countries than the US and also important NATO members in the region, with the reason given in that report that US entertainment piracy is rampant in the region lol. The big US movie studios cand leverage the US gov influence to put pressure on other countries to crack down on piracy. That's how strong they are. I remember the good ol' days in Romania when piracy was absolutely rampant that you would see ads in the city about ordering CDs and DVDs with quality pirated content through the mail, then we joined NATO, then suddenly anti-piracy laws became way stricter. You gotta play by Uncle Sams's rules if you join his playpen.
    - katbyte 3y ago
      ok so you don't have any other actual information or source to contradict the official reasons other then some assumptions and what you think was going to happen.
    - vldx 3y ago
      RARBG was not accessible from within Bulgaria. Most people haven’t even heard of it.
zirgs 3y ago
This is the problem with the so-called "multipolar world". There aren't any other democratic poles. So - if you're a dissident or a whistleblower and you're too high-profile - you have nowhwere to go. Snowden has to live in Russia, because pretty much all Western countries would put him on the first plane to the USA if he ever tried to enter. My country extradites even our own citizens to the USA.
- sealeck 3y ago
  And then you get countries like France where they refuse to extradite probable child sex offenders.
  - abwizz 3y ago
    everybody is a "probable child sex offender", so there is no ground to extradite.
    - anon____ 3y ago
      I think he meant convicted child rapists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski_sexual_abuse_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski_sexual_abuse_ca....
      - boondoggle16 3y ago
        [flagged]
        skissane 3y ago
        > so strange, that man isn't even french any more than harvey weinstein or jeffrey epstein Polanski was born in Paris; both Weinstein and Epstein were born in New York City.
        boondoggle16 3y ago
        They're Jewish.
vasco 3y ago
Biggest army in the world, also the only reason most of europe has freedom today and not a german dictatorship is the US in WW2. This is something europeans forget when complaining about "outsized" US influence but then also don't invest in defense and keep being safe just by the grace of the US. This comes with a price. PS: I'm from europe
- calcifer 3y ago
  > the only reason most of europe has freedom today and not a german dictatorship is the US in WW2 That thought is the result of decades of successful US propaganda. The people who actually lived through WW2 in Europe thought different. This poll [1] asked: "In your opinion, which nation contributed the most to Hitler's defeat?" [1] https://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/sondage-nation-contribue-defaite-nazis-2.jpg https://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/sondage...
  - vasco 3y ago
    So you agree that somehow the US has a stranglehold on Europe if they were able to make the continent believe what you say is a lie. Maybe you don't think it comes from WW2 or them having the biggest army, but then what is your explanation? Europe bends over just because? The USA has military bases all over Europe with people and missiles. That started with WW2. How would they not have huge influence on what we do? No european country has a random military base in Ohio or whatever.
    - calcifer 3y ago
      > but then what is your explanation? Decades of Holywood propaganda and related American cultural exports. There is a reason the Pentagon gives free access to military equipment to Holywood studios, but only if the military is depicted positively / in a heroic manner.
      - vasco 3y ago
        You think Europe lets the US dictate policy and enforce extradition because of... Hollywood? And not because of the position the US has on the world stage by having the biggest army and the world currency? Because that's the argument I'm making.
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