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The Free Movie
- westondeboer 3y agoIt is amazing how quick this was to finish. But it looks like a lot of the preview frames are empty or just bad words. The credits look amazing.
- WrtCdEvrydy 3y agoEmpty frames are just seizure generators.
- cwkoss 3y agoHow long did it take for them to get all the frames?
- westondeboer 3y ago3-4 hours.
- cwkoss 3y agoWhat are the copyright implications of this work? Is it legal to distribute the stitched together frames without audio? Do you think this project is going to get DMCAd off the internet?
- glimshe 3y agoNot sure about DMCA, but it's technically a derivative work, making it subject to copyright restrictions.
- orra 3y agoIt's a derivative work. Is it legal, as a transformative use? Probably not. Andy Warhol's estate just lost a fair use case in the U.S. Supreme Court.
- gowld 3y agoWhy not? Do you think anyone is going to say, "wow, I can save $3 by watching this crappy monochrome silent sketched copy of the movie!" ??? https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/may/18/andy-warhol-copyright-prince-paintings-lawsuit https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/may/18/andy-wa... Warhol copied a portrait. Totally different issue. "The supreme court [lol @ Anti-American Grauniad] focused on the specific use that allegedly infringed Goldsmith’s copyright – a license of Warhol’s work to Condé Nast – and said it was not transformative because it served the same commercial purpose as Goldsmith’s photo: to depict Prince in a magazine."
- orra 3y ago> The supreme court [lol @ Anti-American Grauniad] It is nonsense to claim the Guardian is anti American because their style guide eschews capitalisation. They also refer to the “UK supreme court” and to “the king” without excess capitalisation.
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- gnopgnip 3y agoIt's almost certainly transformative. DMCA takedown requests need to consider fair use. There is a lot of case law like Cariou v Prince It's also possible they got permission, or even that they were paid to make this. MSCHF is well funded.
- BitWiseVibe 3y agoMSCHF probably knows what they're doing in terms of copyright at this point, lol.
- tuanx5 3y agoSimilar in spirit to Shrek Retold (2018)
- mwambua 3y agoPretty cool concept! I feel like it would have made more sense to get multiple samples of each frame, and let all the users upvote/downvote frame versions to arrive at the best ones.
- lukasb 3y agoJust get multiple versions, discard outliers per frame, and average.
- techaqua 3y agoi put my email address to get notification when the film is edited. to my surprise, it's actually a project by MSCHF. a hypebeast shop? glad i use a throwaway email.
- m3kw9 3y agoIf they wanna sue you they still can and make you pay to defend it
- eiiot 3y agoYou can see a "preview" of the movie by clicking out of the email box and clicking "PLAY" on the bottom right. It's basically what you would expect from a drawing site hosted on the open internet...
- seanthemon 3y agoI see beauty in that chaos, almost like a subconscious.. a 16 year old's, but still..
- atulvi 3y agoPoor execution, but great idea. Give users random frames. Obtain multiple drawings for each frame. average and reject frames that are too different from the average. voila!
- crazygringo 3y agoI can't even begin to guess how you would numerically average or compare hairline drawings. If they were fully shaded frames it would work, but hairlines I have no idea. Also I observed that some frames left a dark background white, and others filled in a dark background as black. So you'd have to set up a lot of drawing "rules" to ensure it was even conceptually meaningful to generate an average in the first place.
- ahefner 3y agoUse distance fields.
- crazygringo 3y agoThe problem isn't just approximate positioning of lines, but radically different artistic styles and amounts of shading and detail. Is someone's hair made of one line, five lines, or 100 lines? Does a face have 3 simple lines or 50 little lines that give a sense of skin texture? Distance fields would work great for font outlines, but not for translating movie frames.
- ahefner 3y agoOh, I don't know. How well does it have to work? If anything I'm suddenly very curious what kind of results you'd get from converting line art to distance fields, averaging/interpolating, and converting back. Maybe I'll write some code...
- chaxor 3y agoThrow out whole frames that have a large enough Wasserstein distance?
- stolenmerch 3y agoIf this is your thing, you might like Star Wars Uncut from 2009 https://www.starwarsuncut.com/ https://www.starwarsuncut.com/
- sosodev 3y agoI like the style here a lot more than the low-res pixel art approach of the OP. Thanks for sharing this. :)
- sandyarmstrong 3y agoWoah woah woah, how have I never seen this??? This is incredible, thanks for sharing!
- operator-name 3y agoWe've also got Shrek Retold: https://youtu.be/pM70TROZQsI https://youtu.be/pM70TROZQsI
- operator-name 3y agoAnother great one is Kirby Reanimated: https://youtu.be/U_JzkjbuQjU https://youtu.be/U_JzkjbuQjU The original episode explores how animation is made by having the characters remake the first episode, so it's doubly meta that the fans have reanimated it.
- EmilioMartinez 3y agoLive action Toy Story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G0j_Huv2Fg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G0j_Huv2Fg
- spiffytech 3y agoThis is the kind of crazy thing that reminds me of the internet 20 years ago. I love it!
- jacurtis 3y agoAmazing Idea, but a few problems 1. Anytime you give someone freedom to create (anything), you will end up with a penis drawing. Just scrolling through quickly I see that Frame #13122 delivers on this law of the universe. After watching the movie preview, I only watched the first 45-50 seconds and counted about 4-5 drawings of the bodypart and 6-8 additional frames that just contain the word "penis". I wouldn't be surprised if 2-4% of the total frames submitted contain this specific content. 2. It says that all frames have been drawn, but in fact they are far from complete. Many people have submitted blank frames or frames with one line scribble. There really should be a minimum "ink" or "coverage" amount before determining that a frame has been given a proper amount of effort in the drawing. 3. People have wildly different artistic capabilities. Which sounds like part of the fun, but in practice many of these frames are so bad, that watching them back to back just looks like a static mess. 4. Not a problem, but there are also some AMAZING submissions in here that are awesome to see. I wish those people could be allowed to submit additional frames. Maybe enough "upvotes" on their existing frames and they get to create another frame. 5. We need to crowdsource a review process. It would be good to allow people to either A) draw a frame, which is a smaller portion of the population or B) review an existing frame for content and quality. This allows everyone to contribute to the movie in a way that they are capable. Reviewers could be shown a frame with a few buttons such as: blank, low effort drawing, inaccurate drawing, inappropriate drawing (see #1). If a frame gets a high ratio of similar negative reviews then we know to put it back into the rotation to be redrawn. 5. Just because all frames have been drawn, there should be the option to resubmit an alternative for low-effort or blank frames. These are easy to find, so I should be able to submit a second drawing that gets queued behind the original in case the original gets rejected through the review system (which a blank frame easily would). Overall the concept is really cool. These tips above would solve most of the core problems and make it a better experience for everyone.
- sfink 3y agoThis is brilliant. Often, people will come up with clever-sounding ideas for how to "fix" some part of the internet. "Just let people do X and it'll all work out!" The movie generated by this project is a perfect illustration of what happens: you'll get some excellent results from a small subset, the bulk of people will contribute in some small but productive way, and you'll get a small-to-moderate sized group whose members metaphorically relieve themselves all over your project. It would be cool to do some followup projects. "Ok, that was try 1, now we'll add some basic moderation." It would be great to see visually how well that would work. "Ok, how about meta-moderation?" For a fairly niche project, my guess is that that would be enough to get to a presentable product without any fullscreen "Poop!"s. Then you do "ok, that was cool but the quality was kind of poor, let's incentivize with small amounts of actual cash." It would be fascinating. Call it "How the Web Melts, Illustrated".
- throwaway4837 3y agoIt can work well for restricted inputs, like Twitch Plays Pokemon. The FREE Movie is too open-ended. They should do a simple distance check to throw out frames that don't overlap much with the original frame. They could also have a frame-voting mode where you basically just get a stream of frames and swipe right if it looks good, left if it looks bad, then use the crowdsourced data so that the movie plays with the current highest voted frames.
- jerojero 3y agoYou don't wanna replicate the movie. I imagine if you add colours, for example, you could make your own interpretation of the colour palette and so something really amazing but as a distance matrix... you'd be way off. I think just adding some kind of moderation, for example allowing people to select the best frames out of a set of frames and so on, might be enough to get a much higher quality product.
- karaterobot 3y ago65244 frames is about 45 minutes, are they only rotoscoping a portion of the movie, or are they dropping frames? Just wondering.
- shlubbert 3y agoLooks like it's playing at half the framerate (can confirm this in the preview player). At full 24fps it'd probably be too seizure-inducing.
- bsza 3y agoPeople giving out tips on how to "improve" this probably didn't read the FAQ. > The Free Movie is not about quality– in fact, that interpretation, that rawness, is the specific terroir want in the final film. To paraphrase MSCHF: shitty things are good. Yes, there are better ways to rotoscope a movie than unmoderated crowdsourcing. So what? Not everything has to be over-engineered and optimized for 150% user experience. Considering how it was made, I think this is actually surprisingly watchable.
- throwaway4837 3y agoEvery other frame is "penis" text, a drawing of a penis, or something similar. I believe it's a work of art nonetheless, definitely cool. If they did it "right" the result would just end up looking like someone took the original movie, converted it to 16-color space, then randomly moved around groups of pixels. I agree the way this is was executed was much more interesting than the "right" way. It's a cool experiment!
- Wiskyt 3y agothis is not watchable for me, maybe without all the blank or random frames it could be
- bena 3y agoPeople aren't looking to improve the quality of the honest attempts at reproductions of frames, they are looking to have each frame be an honest attempt at reproducing a frame. There are so many frames where there was no attempt made. And the FAQ says nothing about that. It does not say that trolling other users is the point. The point is to troll Dreamworks/Paramount by stealing their movie in the weirdest way possible.
- magic_hamster 3y agoThis looks like something that could easily come from StableDiffusion. The fact that every frame can be different is a key enabler to using AI because temporal coherence is still an issue there (albeit there are tools to alleviate this some). As a bonus, the super simple monochrome sketch style will be very fast to generate.
- fallat 3y agoDerivation from AI vs derivation from 100000 humans can be interpreted many ways but a legal system.
- Modified3019 3y agoFor anyone who hasn't seen it yet, I highly recommend the "Our RoboCop Remake". Incidentally, I've also just learned that vimeo apparently demands thousands from you if you have a hosted video that becomes too popular. https://unofficialbird.com/fatalfarm/status/1416117865594249216 https://unofficialbird.com/fatalfarm/status/1416117865594249... https://unofficialbird.com/Maffewgregg/status/1251817769336745984 https://unofficialbird.com/Maffewgregg/status/12518177693367... I seem to recall years ago that 4chan's tv board, and possible the reddit equivalent, was working on a redraw of the the infamous "Plane Scene" from The Dark Knight rises. I wonder what ever happened with that.
- spontanious 3y agoI love this idea!!! So sad I missed the part where I could have drawn a frame myself. I just wish that others didn't abuse the site. Unfortunately I saw a swastika in the playback.
- deafpolygon 3y agoIt amazes me how many times Penis made it into the thing.
- e1ghtSpace 3y agoInteresting idea but they should have used multiple drawings per frame and overlayed them to get rid of trash frames. Anyway, if anyone wants to see a Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon movie that functions as a projector for the album, I edited this together and you guys may be into it: https://odysee.com/DSOPiQ https://odysee.com/DSOPiQ I added an intro and some other stuff to mess with you but it can effect the projection substantially so if you want to skip it, go straight to 7:34 (don't go less than that otherwise you might get something)
- camdenlock 3y agoMSCHF gives off major script kiddie vibes, plus a dash of collectivist cringe.
- leke 3y agoWhat a tremendous waste of time. I love it.
- dcanelhas 3y agoMaybe I missed something obvious, but how are they getting audio for this?
- szemy2 3y agoThis is great, similar to the Johnny Cash video! Although that had a bit better execution, users could submit however many they wanted and you could select multiple version of a frame. Will the voices be dubbed by the community aswell? If not, how does this evade the copyright issue?
- Netcob 3y agoI thought the idea was interesting and I was curious how they'd make sure the images would not contain dicks / racism / memes or even attempt to re-create the original image in any way. A voting system? Maybe with a voter reliability score? AI? Turns out they just didn't, and the result is exactly what you'd expect.
- javier_e06 3y agoMy take is that thefreemovie.buzz movie could be in a permanent exhibition at MoMa with the title: "Collective Conscience"
- kriro 3y agoCurious what the copyright situation is for redrawing a movie. If it's ok the next step would be training a model with video frames and the drawn version (edge input) to undo the process :D
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- sen_armstrong 3y agoBottom-up (maybe OP less so) for-fun collaborative (re)animations like this are most commonly called Multi-Animator Projects[1], at least presently in certain parts of the internet. They're found everywhere else you'd expect under different names. Some of the earliest web-originals are still on newgrounds and niconicodouga, but aren't easy to find. Another name is the pattern of "/a/ draws", "/v/ draws", "r/anime draws", etc, from 4chan. Those would be the most similar ones to OP in terms of mspaint-like quality and quantity of penises[2]. [1] overview and a decent directory: https://fanlore.org/wiki/Multi_Animator_Project https://fanlore.org/wiki/Multi_Animator_Project [2] archived results page with no personalization: https://archive.is/80U5G https://archive.is/80U5G