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Seems a bit extreme to throw out a whole set of concepts (nudge, behavioral economics) because one person may have fabricated some data. How could he have succ
by Zetice 3y ago
Seems a bit extreme to throw out a whole set of concepts (nudge, behavioral economics) because one person may have fabricated some data.
How could he have successfully executed this fabrication? Doesn't he work with entire teams of others, don't others review his work, his analysis, the data collection, etc.? The idea that one man, alone, could pull off such a large deception seems, to me, to be pretty farfetched.
Some additional context here is that in academia, there has been a lot of pushback on the burgeoning field of behavioral economics as a result of political viewpoints; nudge is inherently a liberal concept, and puts conservative viewpoints of personal responsibility in a negative light.
Combine that with the ever-present reproducibility problem in all of psychology, and the economists who were made to look like fools (in their view) in the earlier years of the 21st century are striking back with exactly these kinds of arguments (economics isn't strictly a "hard science" insofar as it can't really run experiments the way physics can, so it's easy for economists to point out experimental issues).
Ariely's books aren't "BS", and throwing that in there kind of shows your hand. Large portions of his books are explanations of the work of others, and even if everything this UCLA professor says is true, that doesn't invalidate a single thing he wrote about in his books, other than perhaps specific citations of his own work (of which we're talking about a tiny handful of hundreds of published and peer reviewed studies he worked on with thousands of other people).
- jononomo 3y agoMy understanding is that other people in this field, such as Amy Cuddy, who popularized "Power Poses", have also been revealed to be frauds.
- Zetice 3y agoNot sure how that's relevant, unless you're suggesting that because some frauds exist in a given field, therefore all members of that field are frauds?
- huitzitziltzin 3y agoIt is not clear to me whether Amy Cuddy was a fraud OR whether she just published a "statistically significant" result without really understanding it or making any attempt to replicate it in a large sample. I lean towards the latter on the basis of reading about her case probably nearly ten years ago.
- huitzitziltzin 3y ago> Seems a bit extreme to throw out a whole set of concepts (nudge, behavioral economics) because one person may have fabricated some data. I specifically said don't throw out nudges - some of them work and replicate e.g., retirement savings defaults, while others are BS like the honesty pledge. Real experimental/behavioral economics is not this media-attention-grabbing garbage anyway. As I said, I have friends in the field. They don't do this BS. > Doesn't he work with entire teams of others, don't others review his work, his analysis, the data collection, etc.? No, he doesn't. See the Data Colada responses from his three coauthors on the car insurance paper. All admit he was the only author to have data access. If you can find it, check the earlier, separate investigation into his other fabricated paper w/ Delta Dental where the insurer itself said "we didn't give him that data." > Some additional context here is that in academia, there has been a lot of pushback on the burgeoning field of behavioral economics as a result of political viewpoints; nudge is inherently a liberal concept, and puts conservative viewpoints of personal responsibility in a negative light. I disagree on many dimensions w/ your characterization of behavioral econ AND the entire point is irrelevant here. > economics isn't strictly a "hard science" insofar as it can't really run experiments the way physics can, so it's easy for economists to point out experimental issues I can introduce you to ten experimental economists who would disagree. Economists have also been pioneers in figuring out when non-experimental situations parallel experiments enough that we can make the same inferences. > Ariely's books aren't "BS" Please continue enjoying them if you like them, but I don't have any idea how you'd separate fact from fiction. Ariely is not the first researcher in this exact field who has been revealed to be a fraud.
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- mcpackieh 3y agoYou've got personal responsibility and liberalism completely backwards. Liberalism is predicated on personal responsibility; people can be given liberty because people can be responsible for themselves. Conservativism rejects personal responsibility and thinks people need to be put under the thumb of paternalistic organizations such as the church or government to keep them in line.