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I agree, and also, I'm not really sure what one nation is supposed to do about it. The US can reduce its emissions all it wants, but good luck convincing China

I agree, and also, I'm not really sure what one nation is supposed to do about it. The US can reduce its emissions all it wants, but good luck convincing China to do the same when it means they'll have to slow down their economy. Not to mention all the measures taken thus far, like mandating EVs and phasing out ICE cars, is just stupid virtue signaling when a single supertanker causes as much emissions as every car in the US combined.

Natuerich 3y ago
You know just because someone else doesn't play with you doesn't mean you should not play. Or try. And yes it makes a huge difference. China is not ignorant if the other world leaders change their whole economy to renewable. On one site it's a huge market for China and it makes those countries independent. Energy rules the world. And yes it makes a difference for me if I do my part and it didn't work out or if I did not.
- uejfiweun 3y ago
  Are you seriously comparing the massive economic impacts advocated by these policies to children playing? And yeah, feel free to give me a ring when China purposely weakens their own economy because they saw the West doing it - I'll buy you a beer.
  - Natuerich 3y ago
    Yes. And no I believe renewable is the next economy topic. Transforming everything is a lot of jobs/work and will make energy cheaper and countries less dependent.
    - uejfiweun 3y ago
      OK, fair enough. Sorry for the snark, I had a rough day yesterday. Would love to see a future filled with cheap, reliable, renewable energy.
- pstuart 3y ago
  More so, we can't expect China and others to play nice if we don't, so we should lead the way.
nonsense_stream 3y ago
This stems from unfamiliarity with Chinese economy. China being a late comer to a lot of technologies means that a large portion of their research & patents are in relatively more recent fields, e.g. China has more expertise in manufacturing EVs compared to ICE cars, China is dominating the solar market when they are not as competitive in more traditional silicon industry. Not mentioning the "per capita" argument prevalent in most developing countries, in many occasions, the movement towards reducing emission is helping the economy instead of the opposite, signified by the recent surge of Chinese EVs rendering a lot of western brands obsolete there, VW among the most shocked. This applies or will apply to all the other third world countries such as India, as the mechanism behind this phenomenon is universal.

Natuerich 3y ago

You know just because someone else doesn't play with you doesn't mean you should not play. Or try. And yes it makes a huge difference. China is not ignorant if the other world leaders change their whole economy to renewable. On one site it's a huge market for China and it makes those countries independent. Energy rules the world. And yes it makes a difference for me if I do my part and it didn't work out or if I did not.

uejfiweun 3y ago
Are you seriously comparing the massive economic impacts advocated by these policies to children playing? And yeah, feel free to give me a ring when China purposely weakens their own economy because they saw the West doing it - I'll buy you a beer.
- Natuerich 3y ago
  Yes. And no I believe renewable is the next economy topic. Transforming everything is a lot of jobs/work and will make energy cheaper and countries less dependent.
  - uejfiweun 3y ago
    OK, fair enough. Sorry for the snark, I had a rough day yesterday. Would love to see a future filled with cheap, reliable, renewable energy.
pstuart 3y ago
More so, we can't expect China and others to play nice if we don't, so we should lead the way.

nonsense_stream 3y ago

This stems from unfamiliarity with Chinese economy. China being a late comer to a lot of technologies means that a large portion of their research & patents are in relatively more recent fields, e.g. China has more expertise in manufacturing EVs compared to ICE cars, China is dominating the solar market when they are not as competitive in more traditional silicon industry. Not mentioning the "per capita" argument prevalent in most developing countries, in many occasions, the movement towards reducing emission is helping the economy instead of the opposite, signified by the recent surge of Chinese EVs rendering a lot of western brands obsolete there, VW among the most shocked. This applies or will apply to all the other third world countries such as India, as the mechanism behind this phenomenon is universal.