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Absolutely. The first question you should ask (in no uncertain terms) is: "Am I being detained?" Even with a police officer involved. There are laws about pr

Absolutely. The first question you should ask (in no uncertain terms) is: "Am I being detained?" Even with a police officer involved. There are laws about private citizens detaining you (kidnapping laws). There are laws on how long a police officer can detain you. https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-04/14-detention-short-of-arrest-stop-and-frisk.html https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-04/14-deten...

ceejayoz 3y ago
Sure, but then what? In this case, the answer is "of course not, but if you want to go home on our airline, you talk to us first". Not everyone can eat the cost and disruption of a second (urgent!) ticket, and they know that.
- klardotsh 3y ago
  Doesn't the airline ticket, per various FAA rules, constitute a requirement for the airline to get you home somehow? They have not, at the time they have suspicion but no evidence/proof/confession, confirmed any violation of TOS, and as far as I understand it, legally speaking, the kid has every right to say "fuck you, you're putting me on that airplane or a comparable one". Maybe my memory is fuzzy here.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    No, they can kick you off for a variety of reasons in their Conditions of Carriage. https://www.aa.com/i18n/customer-service/support/conditions-of-carriage.jsp https://www.aa.com/i18n/customer-service/support/conditions-... In this case: > Reservations made to exploit or circumvent fare and ticket rules are prohibited. > Purchasing a ticket without intending to fly all flights to gain lower fares (hidden city ticketing) It's not a court of law, they don't have to do proof beyond a reasonable doubt. https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/bumping-oversales https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer... > An airline can refuse to transport a passenger for the reasons listed in its contract of carriage, a legal agreement between the passenger and airline, so long as the refusal is not discriminatory...
    - klardotsh 3y ago
      Huh. TIL. I'd personally change those laws dramatically, but luckily for the airlines, I'm not realistically considering a career change to being a politician :) Thanks for citing some links, I misunderstood a few things!

ceejayoz 3y ago

Sure, but then what? In this case, the answer is "of course not, but if you want to go home on our airline, you talk to us first". Not everyone can eat the cost and disruption of a second (urgent!) ticket, and they know that.

klardotsh 3y ago
Doesn't the airline ticket, per various FAA rules, constitute a requirement for the airline to get you home somehow? They have not, at the time they have suspicion but no evidence/proof/confession, confirmed any violation of TOS, and as far as I understand it, legally speaking, the kid has every right to say "fuck you, you're putting me on that airplane or a comparable one". Maybe my memory is fuzzy here.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  No, they can kick you off for a variety of reasons in their Conditions of Carriage. https://www.aa.com/i18n/customer-service/support/conditions-of-carriage.jsp https://www.aa.com/i18n/customer-service/support/conditions-... In this case: > Reservations made to exploit or circumvent fare and ticket rules are prohibited. > Purchasing a ticket without intending to fly all flights to gain lower fares (hidden city ticketing) It's not a court of law, they don't have to do proof beyond a reasonable doubt. https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/bumping-oversales https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer... > An airline can refuse to transport a passenger for the reasons listed in its contract of carriage, a legal agreement between the passenger and airline, so long as the refusal is not discriminatory...
  - klardotsh 3y ago
    Huh. TIL. I'd personally change those laws dramatically, but luckily for the airlines, I'm not realistically considering a career change to being a politician :) Thanks for citing some links, I misunderstood a few things!