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How can American Airlines prove that he intended to get off at Charlotte?

shagie 3y ago
They can't, but they suspected it was the case. Note from the article: > The boy’s father said he booked the ticket using Skiplagged, which helps find such throwaway options, but he didn’t know that airlines frowned on this. The dad always books with Skiplagged, and has for years, but the child had never even traveled alone before. The boy was on his own and confessed. The family (and account used to purchase the tickets) was likely red flagged. This is harder to catch if you don't check in with a person (using a kiosk or app), but it is easy to imagine that there's a note on the account in the checkin screen for the employee to see... which an unaccompanied minor would need to use. If any luggage was asked to only be checked through Charlotte, then that raises additional red flags. The airline likely needs to do some due diligence. The individual is an unaccompanied minor flying. Imagine what they airline would need to do if he didn't get on the connecting flight to New York. That said - it would likely have been caught in Charlotte as the unaccompanied minor is escorted to the next flight and ended up much the same way. https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/special-assistance/unaccompanied-minors.jsp https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/special-assistance/unacc... • Unaccompanied minor service optional, service fee still applies • Gate escort and guardian contact required
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  > If any luggage was asked to only be checked through Charlotte, then that raises additional red flags. If you're skiplagging, no checked bags. Carry-on/backpack only. The airlines won't let you do that.
  - peoplearepeople 3y ago
    It depends, if you're going through quarantine/international you sometimes have to pick up your bags and then re-check them. For example, flying SYD to SFO via LAX.
    - whimsicalism 3y ago
      I would never check a bag on a hidden city flight.
    - grecy 3y ago
      Flying through the US for any international flight you always have to collect your bags, clear customs and immigration, then re-check them. The US does not have the concept of international transit lounges like other countries do, where you can get off plane 1 and sit in a room that is not technically inside the country (so you don't clear customs or immigration), then just get on plane 2 and go to another country. I suspect there would be cases where it's cheaper to book a connecting flight through the US to some other country (or US city) and just get off at your first stop.
      - sonicshadow 3y ago
        Makes sense, given the massive security theater in the US and the fact that it's so off the beaten path of the rest of the world that most flights probably don't just "transit" through the US on the way to somewhere else.
        grecy 3y ago
        I was in South America for a year, and tons of Europeans had a nightmare flying to South America because the majority of flights "transited" the US, so they had to get a visa and all that for a 1 hour layover each way.
  - shagie 3y ago
    If the youth is checking in by themselves, it is not unreasonable to believe that they brought an extra bag and would need to check in something... or that they got a bag that didn't fit into the "it needs to be this small to check in". I've... stretched the definition of "one carry on and one camera bag" in the past (my camera bag is about https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1547750-REG/lowepro_lp37331_fastpack_pro_bp_250.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1547750-REG/lowepro_l... and then I've got a small hiking backpack with laptop pouch for my carry on bag). If it wasn't a camera bag (or my single carry on wasn't as compressible) I would likely have had to check one in at the gate... as it was I've always been able to put the camera bag under the seat in front of me and the carry in in the space between/around the harder shelled monstrosities that people try to stuff into the overhead. If I had two carry on bags rather than a carry on and camera bag ("We may allow up to two carry on bags, space permitting in the plane") or one didn't fit in the bracket at the counter without smooshing I would would have had to check one in. (Aside: I have never skiplagged - I just don't trust camera bags or laptops to baggage handlers and if packing light results in no checked luggage, all the better) If the youth didn't know the nuances of how to pack for such a situation there are a number of things that would be gotchas that would indicate to the employee at the counter that this would be skiplagging... along with the existing red flags of the drivers license, and the family history of doing it. --- It would have been interesting if they (the airline) were to rebook someone they suspect of skiplagging onto a partner airline that has a different connecting stop. "This flight is full, so we're booking you on Delta with a connection in Atlanta. Fortunately, it will get into New York City an hour earlier, we will be contacting your guardian there about the earlier arrival."
- LeafItAlone 3y ago
  > This is harder to catch if you don't check in with a person I’ve been in situations where when I try to check in via app or kiosk it says to see an agent (passport details needed to be updated, seat change, etc.). I imagine they could do something similar here pretty easily.
  - shagie 3y ago
    I don't think it was an option for the unaccompanied minor to not check in with an agent. Part of the thing being that they'll have an escort to the gate and between connecting flights - and that can't be done at a kiosk or app. https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/special-assistance/unaccompanied-minors.jsp https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/special-assistance/unacc... The skiplagging was going to fall apart real quickly, it's just a matter if it happens at check in, or when trying to leave at the connecting flight when the connecting flight escort says "this way" and the minor says "but my parents are at the passenger pickup area." Airlines take their custodianship of unaccompanied minors quite seriously.
rdtsc 3y ago
Bullied him until he confessed? Probably using police tactics: "We can see you used Skiplagged", even though they can't really. "We'll go easy on you if confess, buy another ticket, and we'll ban you only for 3 years as opposed to for the rest of your life!". I've seen TSA and airline workers in various airports get their sadistic pleasure out of bullying people. I'll always remember watching helplessly as they forced my elderly parents to the side, for the "extra" security check, all while making fun of them not speaking English well, and laughing at their visible distress and confusion. It's the little bright stop in their day to fight the monotony, low pay and boredom.
- x128 3y ago
  This is also how police get people to confess to crimes they never committed. Coercion is not a useful tool for seeking the truth.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    Who's implying these people are seeking truth? They are seeking a short cut to do what they want. Police just want a closed case, and if they think you did it, you did it. Coercion just makes the amount of time they have to spend on it much less.

They can't, but they suspected it was the case. Note from the article: > The boy’s father said he booked the ticket using Skiplagged, which helps find such throwaway options, but he didn’t know that airlines frowned on this. The dad always books with Skiplagged, and has for years, but the child had never even traveled alone before. The boy was on his own and confessed. The family (and account used to purchase the tickets) was likely red flagged. This is harder to catch if you don't check in with a person (using a kiosk or app), but it is easy to imagine that there's a note on the account in the checkin screen for the employee to see... which an unaccompanied minor would need to use. If any luggage was asked to only be checked through Charlotte, then that raises additional red flags. The airline likely needs to do some due diligence. The individual is an unaccompanied minor flying. Imagine what they airline would need to do if he didn't get on the connecting flight to New York. That said - it would likely have been caught in Charlotte as the unaccompanied minor is escorted to the next flight and ended up much the same way. https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/special-assistance/unaccompanied-minors.jsp https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/special-assistance/unacc... • Unaccompanied minor service optional, service fee still applies • Gate escort and guardian contact required

ceejayoz 3y ago
> If any luggage was asked to only be checked through Charlotte, then that raises additional red flags. If you're skiplagging, no checked bags. Carry-on/backpack only. The airlines won't let you do that.
- peoplearepeople 3y ago
  It depends, if you're going through quarantine/international you sometimes have to pick up your bags and then re-check them. For example, flying SYD to SFO via LAX.
  - whimsicalism 3y ago
    I would never check a bag on a hidden city flight.
  - grecy 3y ago
    Flying through the US for any international flight you always have to collect your bags, clear customs and immigration, then re-check them. The US does not have the concept of international transit lounges like other countries do, where you can get off plane 1 and sit in a room that is not technically inside the country (so you don't clear customs or immigration), then just get on plane 2 and go to another country. I suspect there would be cases where it's cheaper to book a connecting flight through the US to some other country (or US city) and just get off at your first stop.
    - sonicshadow 3y ago
      Makes sense, given the massive security theater in the US and the fact that it's so off the beaten path of the rest of the world that most flights probably don't just "transit" through the US on the way to somewhere else.
      - grecy 3y ago
        I was in South America for a year, and tons of Europeans had a nightmare flying to South America because the majority of flights "transited" the US, so they had to get a visa and all that for a 1 hour layover each way.
- shagie 3y ago
  If the youth is checking in by themselves, it is not unreasonable to believe that they brought an extra bag and would need to check in something... or that they got a bag that didn't fit into the "it needs to be this small to check in". I've... stretched the definition of "one carry on and one camera bag" in the past (my camera bag is about https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1547750-REG/lowepro_lp37331_fastpack_pro_bp_250.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1547750-REG/lowepro_l... and then I've got a small hiking backpack with laptop pouch for my carry on bag). If it wasn't a camera bag (or my single carry on wasn't as compressible) I would likely have had to check one in at the gate... as it was I've always been able to put the camera bag under the seat in front of me and the carry in in the space between/around the harder shelled monstrosities that people try to stuff into the overhead. If I had two carry on bags rather than a carry on and camera bag ("We may allow up to two carry on bags, space permitting in the plane") or one didn't fit in the bracket at the counter without smooshing I would would have had to check one in. (Aside: I have never skiplagged - I just don't trust camera bags or laptops to baggage handlers and if packing light results in no checked luggage, all the better) If the youth didn't know the nuances of how to pack for such a situation there are a number of things that would be gotchas that would indicate to the employee at the counter that this would be skiplagging... along with the existing red flags of the drivers license, and the family history of doing it. --- It would have been interesting if they (the airline) were to rebook someone they suspect of skiplagging onto a partner airline that has a different connecting stop. "This flight is full, so we're booking you on Delta with a connection in Atlanta. Fortunately, it will get into New York City an hour earlier, we will be contacting your guardian there about the earlier arrival."
LeafItAlone 3y ago
> This is harder to catch if you don't check in with a person I’ve been in situations where when I try to check in via app or kiosk it says to see an agent (passport details needed to be updated, seat change, etc.). I imagine they could do something similar here pretty easily.
- shagie 3y ago
  I don't think it was an option for the unaccompanied minor to not check in with an agent. Part of the thing being that they'll have an escort to the gate and between connecting flights - and that can't be done at a kiosk or app. https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/special-assistance/unaccompanied-minors.jsp https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/special-assistance/unacc... The skiplagging was going to fall apart real quickly, it's just a matter if it happens at check in, or when trying to leave at the connecting flight when the connecting flight escort says "this way" and the minor says "but my parents are at the passenger pickup area." Airlines take their custodianship of unaccompanied minors quite seriously.

rdtsc 3y ago

Bullied him until he confessed? Probably using police tactics: "We can see you used Skiplagged", even though they can't really. "We'll go easy on you if confess, buy another ticket, and we'll ban you only for 3 years as opposed to for the rest of your life!". I've seen TSA and airline workers in various airports get their sadistic pleasure out of bullying people. I'll always remember watching helplessly as they forced my elderly parents to the side, for the "extra" security check, all while making fun of them not speaking English well, and laughing at their visible distress and confusion. It's the little bright stop in their day to fight the monotony, low pay and boredom.

x128 3y ago
This is also how police get people to confess to crimes they never committed. Coercion is not a useful tool for seeking the truth.
- dylan604 3y ago
  Who's implying these people are seeking truth? They are seeking a short cut to do what they want. Police just want a closed case, and if they think you did it, you did it. Coercion just makes the amount of time they have to spend on it much less.