> At least they're trying, rest of the world has not build meaningfully either in quite a long time. Some of the rest of the world builds meaningful societies/

> At least they're trying, rest of the world has not build meaningfully either in quite a long time. Some of the rest of the world builds meaningful societies/economies. Ones that won't explode into civil war the moment that the firehose of oil is tapped out. I understand that parts of the Middle East are trying to do that as well, but it's not clear what the effort results in.